Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
The Shrike Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM
Because, as you say, the people are already behind this change.
Obama's current position is that Congress has exclusive authority to lift the ban.[citation needed] In May 2009, a committee of military law experts at the University of California at Santa Barbara[40] concluded that, while "Legislative action is still required to permanently remove 'don’t ask, don’t tell', the President can issue an Executive Order to suspend homosexual conduct discharges."[41] From wikipedia with relevant footnotes there.
But from what I know, Pres. Obama has not done even that.
I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider
- 21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM
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...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM
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Really? A few months ago Lt. Choi was still in the military, I didn't realize he'd been discharged
- 21/04/2010 05:37:47 AM
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No, in or out it's a no-go
- 21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM
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There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars
- 21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM
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Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing
- 21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM
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I've seen it.
- 21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM
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Not a very fair way to look at it
- 21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM
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perhaps not on its own
- 21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM
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Sadly that's not that uncommon
- 21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM
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to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars
- 21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM
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every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM*
- 22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM
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Excepting possibly finals period, I'm pretty sure "uptight college kid" is an oxymoron. *NM*
- 22/04/2010 07:07:58 PM
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uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville.
- 22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM
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The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms
- 21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM
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Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM
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well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military
- 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM
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- 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM
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I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-)
- 21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM
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I am a Marine we have our own air support
- 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM
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- 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM
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Yeah - some of it pretty good too but still all small stuff
- 21/04/2010 07:26:12 PM
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The F/A18 does OK
- 21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM
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It's all right, but not the best choice
- 22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM
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Hm. That seems to violate some significant 1st Amendment rights.
- 21/04/2010 07:00:59 PM
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you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM
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That's why I specified dishonorably discharged. They're no longer in the military.
- 21/04/2010 08:43:22 PM
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*shrug* sorry, I'm a bit cynical over how much the military EVER lets go.
- 21/04/2010 10:13:51 PM
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Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider
- 21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM
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Not in uniform.
- 21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM
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oh puhlease
- 21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM
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It's not a just a piece of clothing, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on that.
- 21/04/2010 05:45:52 AM
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and another thing
- 21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM
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I'm on their side, BUT
- 21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM
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Well... it's a military policy. If they were protesting animal cruelty while wearing it, I'd agree
- 21/04/2010 06:53:36 AM
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What beetnemesis said. They're not talking about rights for all gays, but rights for gay soldiers.
- 21/04/2010 09:54:09 AM
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It's peaceful and non-violent. I see nothing wrong with them making their point in this in addition
- 21/04/2010 02:12:54 PM
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A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right.
- 21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM
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they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM*
- 21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM
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Take it up with congress, the regulations are clear, no such right exists, it is expressly banned *NM*
- 21/04/2010 02:46:14 PM
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The uniform isn't just handed to you after Basic with no strings attached.
- 21/04/2010 03:04:32 PM
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The funny thing about it is
- 21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM
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Re: The funny thing about it is
- 21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM
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Actually -the question isn't right
- 22/04/2010 04:38:03 PM
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I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike.
- 21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM
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Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them.
- 21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM
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very true
- 21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM
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But these men didn't disrespect anything.
- 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM
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the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same
- 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM
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The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly.
- 21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM
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And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
- 21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM
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Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage.
- 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM
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That dude is all talk about everything.
- 21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM
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Well he wasn't all talk about Health care
- 22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM
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Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous.
- 22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM
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Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM
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Wow,
- 21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM
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I'm sure female protesters made a lot of people reconsider the suffrage movement.
- 21/04/2010 04:09:37 PM
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The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for.
- 21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM
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