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I read it back in January. Tom Send a noteboard - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM
I enjoyed it. I thought it had a great deal to say about humanity, about human relationships and about the way we perceive ourselves, assume the "other" will be like us and the way we even see other people through our own prism of understanding. The woman that Chris was with on Solaris was not Hari, but her as he saw her. People try to view Solaris, likewise, through their own understanding of what it "should" be.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 1997 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 696 Views
I read it back in January. Tom - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1272 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* Legolas - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 656 Views
I just finished it. Rebekah - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1257 Views
Well, to be fair, Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1160 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1399 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1133 Views
That was how I felt too. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 985 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. Linda - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1486 Views
Yes, I read it. Must be something like... eh. it was before the clooney horror movie came out? *NM* jh - 19/04/2010 07:23:15 PM 706 Views
I read it, and liked it. wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1261 Views
I plan to Camilla - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1377 Views
I might re-read it in a few days Larry - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1183 Views
I'm currently reading it Mark - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1432 Views
That has always bothered me too. Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1074 Views
I am with you on that. It may not be rational or my reasons have to do with vanity Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:18:53 PM 1001 Views
Re: When you look through Lem's page on Solaris covers, that one is the least interesting. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 10:01:50 AM 1125 Views
Indeed Camilla - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1113 Views
It was a while since I've read it Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1094 Views
I have started reading it Camilla - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1032 Views
Translation: Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1323 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. Tom - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1299 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. Legolas - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1225 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). Rebekah - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1192 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* jh - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 629 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 635 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. jh - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1179 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1273 Views
That was the one I read. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1409 Views
Read a swedish translation back then. jh - 19/04/2010 07:28:14 PM 1101 Views
Yes, the version I read was translated from polish. All the names were intact from the original *NM* Dragonsworn - 20/04/2010 12:17:42 AM 639 Views
I read it in Czech wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1448 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. Linda - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1554 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox everynametaken - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1305 Views
I have a different opinion on this. Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1204 Views
I've read it in Polish Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1033 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1160 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1149 Views
Rights issues, I beieve Larry - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1183 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. Jacob - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1043 Views
I read the English from French translation Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1015 Views
This was my general experience as well. Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1066 Views
So. Uh. The chick's name was Rheya in the book I read. Not in other translations? Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:42:16 PM 1165 Views
Her name in the original is Harey, it got changed to Rheya somewhere along the way of the wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:49:33 PM 1199 Views
In Russian it was just Hari, or, more precisely, Хари. *NM* Tom - 19/04/2010 10:28:49 PM 623 Views
I haven't looked into the reasons yet, outside of what would seem obvious, Jacob - 19/04/2010 09:26:11 PM 1197 Views
Re: I think the translators just thought Harey wasn't immediately accessible as a feminine name. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:59:17 AM 1267 Views
That is what I assumed as well. Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:40:45 PM 1086 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1008 Views
Re: I do that too! Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1005 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1046 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction Jacob - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1217 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction lyringlas - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1200 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1062 Views
Re: Panorphaeon - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1135 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? Tom - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1060 Views
Fair enough. Panorphaeon - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1125 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1138 Views
Good point Tom. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1031 Views
It's definitely literature Tom - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 997 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 976 Views
In all fairness to my opponents, Solaris is one of my strongest cases. Tom - 26/04/2010 10:16:20 PM 940 Views
As long as you realize... Legolas - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1013 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. Jacob - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1080 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1092 Views
Very well put. Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 970 Views
Re: Very well put. Camilla - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1102 Views
This book is definitely literature. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1139 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 587 Views
Understandable. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1002 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1093 Views
What didn't you enjoy? Jacob - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1010 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. Tom - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 966 Views
This was what I disliked too Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1179 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1047 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1251 Views
That is an interesting take. Jacob - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1096 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1090 Views
The only thing that bothered me... Jacob - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1221 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? Larry - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1176 Views
Apparently not. Tom - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1211 Views
True Larry - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1036 Views
Point of fact, Jacob - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1086 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then Larry - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1419 Views
They never claimed to have a monopoly on guiding the discussions. I am just happy they are starting Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:51:01 PM 1044 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. Jacob - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1226 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses Larry - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1387 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. Legolas - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1236 Views
Thank you. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1176 Views
Well, when my sleeping is screwed up, interpretations are going to be wonky, it seems Larry - 27/04/2010 06:21:57 PM 1147 Views
One point... Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1068 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems Larry - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1158 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. Rebekah - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1114 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it Larry - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1006 Views
Ah. OK. Rebekah - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1178 Views
Thanks Larry - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1065 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. Legolas - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1009 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. Tom - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1360 Views
I am mostly just trying the approach out as something a little bit different. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:23:12 PM 1127 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1038 Views
I've posted my thoughts on most of those issues in various places in this discussion. Tom - 24/04/2010 05:02:44 AM 1214 Views
Re: I think I'd just like for you to be more proactive and Start A Thread. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:50:26 AM 1122 Views
I was sort of being lazy. I'll do so now. *NM* Tom - 25/04/2010 03:20:12 PM 589 Views
A question about Lem. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1061 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad Larry - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1165 Views
Re: A question about Lem. Ellestra - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1159 Views
Thanks. everynametaken - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1170 Views
Yes Camilla - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1131 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem everynametaken - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1394 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1294 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1206 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1034 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1160 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1030 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1041 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. Tom - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 992 Views
Re: I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. Ellestra - 25/04/2010 01:52:19 PM 1077 Views
It had more to do with recognizing mankind's tendency to imposes their ideas on other cultures. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:35:25 PM 1107 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 502 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1072 Views
I did spend a lot of the book speculating on what the planet was trying to do with those supressed Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:05:38 PM 1151 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) Jacob - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1005 Views
Yes Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1164 Views
That is a great idea... Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1107 Views
Re: That is a great idea... Camilla - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1104 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. Tashmere - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1038 Views
It is interesting you should say that. Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1294 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have Tashmere - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1151 Views
Derrida is great. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1181 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1047 Views
I can't decide. Rebekah - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1195 Views
An interesting point to consider... everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1192 Views
Re: I can't decide. Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 993 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1173 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1153 Views
Does it make a difference? Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1010 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1147 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1091 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? Danae al'Thor - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1163 Views
That's an interesting observation. Tom - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1038 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... Danae al'Thor - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1177 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1088 Views
Communication with the entirely other Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1114 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? Tashmere - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1024 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* Tom - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 490 Views
In a way yes. Jacob - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1115 Views
My father, perhaps. Panorphaeon - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1016 Views
Ha. Jacob - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1046 Views
Re: You know, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am everyone only seemed to have one. Danae al'Thor - 10/05/2010 10:08:23 PM 1079 Views
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