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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius Send a noteboard - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM
Herbert saw Dune Messiah as a kind of coda to the first book. He had been convinced that Dune was a more powerful book if it stopped when Paul became Emperor, without his downfall.

Dune and Dune Messiah had originally been envisioned as a single book. The Anti-Hero of Paul Atreides was not at all desirable by the publishers, which along with the length of the text was why it was split up.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1813 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 962 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1121 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1055 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1089 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 936 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1057 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1089 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 927 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 925 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 814 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 793 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 765 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 898 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 384 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 869 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 815 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 847 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 811 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 831 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 766 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 855 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 796 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 882 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 935 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 790 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 806 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 719 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 841 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 917 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 811 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 820 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1289 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 415 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1000 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 947 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1029 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1202 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 959 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1159 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1018 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 832 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1396 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1190 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1121 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1075 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 832 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 360 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 366 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1063 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 810 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 715 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 731 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 839 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 735 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 659 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 764 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 664 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 889 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 873 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 844 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 747 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 997 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 736 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 704 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 958 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 711 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 774 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 757 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1084 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 893 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 914 Views
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