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Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM
It can not be an Ecological or Environmental book ass we define it today (preservation of, or return to a natural state), because the Freman are attempting to change the state of the planet into something else. Would you call a book titles "1,001 Ways To Polute" an Environmental book?

The Barron is a deviant because he deviates fromm what is the societal norm. By that definition, yes homosexuallity is deviant (though I personally don't have an issue withit as long as my preferences are respected as well). However, homosexuallity (actually it is bi-sexuallity with a homosexual prefernce) is the absolute least of his many deviant behaviors.

If you insist on focusing your attention upon your perceived themes of ecology and homophobia you will miss the entire point of the books. You are making up your own themes, ones the author did not intend to include, did not develop within the book, and usinng them to promote your own position. In my opinion you are performing theft. You are stealing the Authors Work, and perverting it. This is why I object to the entire "The Author is Dead" school that you jokingly refer to.

If you want to discuss Environmental issues, use an environmental book, and have fun. Do not take a book that delves into the impact of religion, economics, abuse of power and pervert it. There is plenty do discuss and explore within the Dune universe without your fabrications.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2024 Views
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Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1320 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1253 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1245 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1301 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1102 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1161 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1025 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 982 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 964 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1111 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1035 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1016 Views
Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1071 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1014 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1026 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1126 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 995 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 990 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 886 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1045 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1139 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1010 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1007 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1510 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 496 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1185 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1139 Views
There are several points to the book/series - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1223 Views
Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1402 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1153 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1331 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1031 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1613 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1415 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1350 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1269 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1032 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 442 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 448 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1319 Views
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I didn't see that in Alia - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 934 Views
One of my favorite series! - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 943 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 867 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 975 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 891 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1089 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1069 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1045 Views
Depends - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 935 Views
Re: Depends - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1301 Views
read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 937 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 880 Views
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Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 995 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 928 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1291 Views
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