I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point.
Tom Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM
I think it's a valid connection to see the train death as connected to Tolstoy. Pasternak was certainly not a proponent of the Tolstoy sort of idealism, though. His peasants are perhaps good people (Anfim Efimovich, for example), but they are certainly not people who should be leading a country. The form of government the peasants would have chose would resemble Meluzeevo - backwards, superstitious, mixing Christianity with ideas about magic and ultimately anti-intellectual (and, for that matter, irrational).
It would be another example of Pasternak turning other authors on their heads. The other one I can think of is his refutation of Mayakovsky in the figure of Komarovsky. Mayakovsky had a bulldog named Jack and took walks exactly where Komarovsky did, and in Pasternak's letters he cites things that Mayakovsky said to him which sound almost word for word like what Komarovsky says to Zhivago. The parallel, then, shows that Mayakovsky was a self-interested prostitute who used the Bolsheviks for his own ends (and then, ultimately, could not control them).
It would be another example of Pasternak turning other authors on their heads. The other one I can think of is his refutation of Mayakovsky in the figure of Komarovsky. Mayakovsky had a bulldog named Jack and took walks exactly where Komarovsky did, and in Pasternak's letters he cites things that Mayakovsky said to him which sound almost word for word like what Komarovsky says to Zhivago. The parallel, then, shows that Mayakovsky was a self-interested prostitute who used the Bolsheviks for his own ends (and then, ultimately, could not control them).
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
So, let's talk about Doctor Zhivago.
15/03/2010 12:51:09 PM
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I liked it a lot.
15/03/2010 03:24:34 PM
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I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution.
15/03/2010 09:19:54 PM
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Re: I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution
15/03/2010 09:57:29 PM
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Yes, it's the Soviet state, not the revolution, that he hates.
15/03/2010 11:16:29 PM
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There will be more later. Much more. So lets start at the beginning.
15/03/2010 04:22:15 PM
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... I'm clearly lacking in braincells.
15/03/2010 05:03:35 PM
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... yes, you moved to scotland? *NM*
15/03/2010 05:42:21 PM
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I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point.
15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM
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Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist,
15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM
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Zhivago is the Church Slavonic genitive singular of живой (zhivoi), "living"
15/03/2010 11:18:23 PM
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I thought this was a great read, and I'm sure I've missed a lot, which will make a reread good too.
15/03/2010 05:16:19 PM
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On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think.
15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM
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I noticed that as well
15/03/2010 09:42:04 PM
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Yes. This is what I was going to say, just not as articulately.
*NM*
15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM
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My initial thoughts
15/03/2010 06:02:21 PM
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Re: My initial thoughts
15/03/2010 08:54:15 PM
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There appears to be a lull, so some background - How many of you have read anything about
15/03/2010 08:19:07 PM
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I've read bits & pieces.
15/03/2010 08:33:41 PM
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Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution.
15/03/2010 08:47:42 PM
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Re: Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution.
15/03/2010 11:05:22 PM
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Thank you for calling it "light" reading. The quotation marks were comforting.
17/03/2010 09:56:26 AM
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I will read and respond to this when I remember to bring my glasses home from work! *NM*
17/03/2010 06:14:31 PM
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Fiction or non-fiction?
15/03/2010 09:21:04 PM
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Familiar with the history, though I've never exhaustively studied the time period.
16/03/2010 02:20:23 PM
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Why would you consider this a classic? What made it so good or profound for (plural) you?
16/03/2010 11:19:23 PM
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Put a question mark at the end of the first sentence and read my response. *NM*
17/03/2010 12:09:58 AM
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Some questions.
19/03/2010 08:27:38 AM
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As an addendum to what Greg wrote:
19/03/2010 05:56:56 PM
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The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them
21/03/2010 05:34:03 PM
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It looks a bit strained to me.
22/03/2010 03:28:34 AM
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So far the reviews are pretty glowing, as are the Amazon reviewers.
22/03/2010 01:44:19 PM
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In other news, I read about 100 pages of The Island at the Center of the World.
22/03/2010 03:48:47 PM
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I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took.
21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM
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