...let's discuss it further.
I like the selections you suggested in general, particularly because most of them are not overly long (with War and Peace and The Brothers Karamazov being the exceptions).
Of course, I think that the Pushkin might be lost on anyone who doesn't speak Russian, since Evgeni Onegin is entirely in verse. Perhaps Kapitanskaya Dochka, since it's a prose work, or (a perennial favourite of mine due to its commentary on power in Russia) the play Boris Godunov?
With Gogol, I'd prefer to just bite the bullet and discuss Dead Souls since it's not that long, but The Nose and The Overcoat are good choices as well. Of course, Gogol could/should be read right before Bulgakov's Master and Margarita in my opinion, given the fact that both grew up in the Ukraine and both have a similar style.
The Turgenev, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky selections I am in complete agreement on. Bunin is good as well (and a Nobel laureate, for people who care about such things) - Sukhodol is one of his more famous works.
Pasternak and Bulgakov are good as well. I'm tempted to say that we should just get Zamyatin listed as a sci-fi/fantasy read for the month, not because I don't like him, but because there's very little "Russian" about his novel We, in contrast to all the other writers on the list. If you want to put another fantasy or sci-fi book in the list to compete with Bulgakov, you could put Alexei Tolstoy's Aelita. However, I would tend to pick someone else for Zamyatin's place (and Lukyanenko's, honestly - Night Watch isn't worthy to be mentioned in the same list as the others). For Zamyatin's place I would pick someone from the Soviet period - Solzhenitsyn, Shalamov or Rybakov, or even Shvarts or Zoshchenko, though they wrote plays (the former) and very short stories (the latter). For Lukyanenko's place, if you're dead-set on a post-Soviet writer I'd pick Pelevin, and I'd pick his strongest novel, Chapaev i Pustota, or perhaps Pokolenie P.
Also, I'd break it up along a non-chronological basis, something like this:
1. Doctor Zhivago
2. The Pushkin Selection
3. the Pelevin Selection
4. Dostoevsky I (whichever one we decide on)
5. Fathers and Sons
6. Soviet Selection
7. Tolstoy - War and Peace (first half)
8. Tolstoy - War and Peace (second half)
9. Gogol - The Nose and the Overcoat (a welcome break after Tolstoy)
10. Master and Margarita
11. Dostoevsky II
12. Bunin
I like the selections you suggested in general, particularly because most of them are not overly long (with War and Peace and The Brothers Karamazov being the exceptions).
Of course, I think that the Pushkin might be lost on anyone who doesn't speak Russian, since Evgeni Onegin is entirely in verse. Perhaps Kapitanskaya Dochka, since it's a prose work, or (a perennial favourite of mine due to its commentary on power in Russia) the play Boris Godunov?
With Gogol, I'd prefer to just bite the bullet and discuss Dead Souls since it's not that long, but The Nose and The Overcoat are good choices as well. Of course, Gogol could/should be read right before Bulgakov's Master and Margarita in my opinion, given the fact that both grew up in the Ukraine and both have a similar style.
The Turgenev, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky selections I am in complete agreement on. Bunin is good as well (and a Nobel laureate, for people who care about such things) - Sukhodol is one of his more famous works.
Pasternak and Bulgakov are good as well. I'm tempted to say that we should just get Zamyatin listed as a sci-fi/fantasy read for the month, not because I don't like him, but because there's very little "Russian" about his novel We, in contrast to all the other writers on the list. If you want to put another fantasy or sci-fi book in the list to compete with Bulgakov, you could put Alexei Tolstoy's Aelita. However, I would tend to pick someone else for Zamyatin's place (and Lukyanenko's, honestly - Night Watch isn't worthy to be mentioned in the same list as the others). For Zamyatin's place I would pick someone from the Soviet period - Solzhenitsyn, Shalamov or Rybakov, or even Shvarts or Zoshchenko, though they wrote plays (the former) and very short stories (the latter). For Lukyanenko's place, if you're dead-set on a post-Soviet writer I'd pick Pelevin, and I'd pick his strongest novel, Chapaev i Pustota, or perhaps Pokolenie P.
Also, I'd break it up along a non-chronological basis, something like this:
1. Doctor Zhivago
2. The Pushkin Selection
3. the Pelevin Selection
4. Dostoevsky I (whichever one we decide on)
5. Fathers and Sons
6. Soviet Selection
7. Tolstoy - War and Peace (first half)
8. Tolstoy - War and Peace (second half)
9. Gogol - The Nose and the Overcoat (a welcome break after Tolstoy)
10. Master and Margarita
11. Dostoevsky II
12. Bunin
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Dare I ask about the book club's next selection and timing?
09/02/2010 02:49:56 AM
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You dare too much!
09/02/2010 02:51:48 AM
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Based on the length of the last one, why not The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire?
09/02/2010 01:29:13 PM
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At least that one would have a bit more depth to it
09/02/2010 01:46:29 PM
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Does anyone agree with Gibbon's conclusions?
09/02/2010 06:45:09 PM
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Currently, no. Not really.
09/02/2010 06:57:14 PM
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I would have thought you would have enjoyed his ironic sendup of Christianity, though.
10/02/2010 01:58:12 PM
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I was wondering myself.
09/02/2010 03:10:55 AM
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You know, I thought about doing that a long time ago
09/02/2010 01:30:40 PM
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Oh, go ahead and do it.
09/02/2010 06:51:35 PM
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That would be outstanding. *NM*
09/02/2010 07:06:14 PM
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I'd be on board with it. I think Tom would be too. Sounds like you too.
09/02/2010 07:22:22 PM
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I don't think I'd manage to read all of them, but certainly some. *NM*
09/02/2010 07:55:44 PM
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I might be in on at least 2, 4/5, 6,, 7 and 11. Possibly 10, although I haven't read it in a while
09/02/2010 08:08:58 PM
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No love for Turgenev? Bazarov is one of the greatest characters in 19th century literature.
09/02/2010 08:22:57 PM
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Turgenev's Bazarov is the first person to say "God is dead" in print. *NM*
09/02/2010 09:29:19 PM
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And to this day those words are still shocking to read when I imagine
09/02/2010 11:09:57 PM
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Well, seeing the expressed interest...
09/02/2010 09:28:41 PM
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Re: Well, seeing the expressed interest...
10/02/2010 12:26:06 AM
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So how about keeping Zamyatin and replacing Lukyanenko with Pelevin?
10/02/2010 02:45:33 AM
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Sounds good.
10/02/2010 01:36:13 PM
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It's called "Buddha's Little Finger" in English for some reason. See the amazon review as well. *NM*
10/02/2010 01:51:02 PM
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Sounds interesting. I'd be interested in reading it. *NM*
10/02/2010 05:44:20 PM
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Do we have a final list, then?
10/02/2010 05:53:46 PM
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Well.
10/02/2010 06:36:00 PM
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I will totally join in with the Master and Margarita discussion. Whichever book club it's in. *NM*
10/02/2010 06:49:03 PM
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We're probably not choosing Master and Margarita for our first selection.
10/02/2010 08:16:36 PM
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In regards to order, a slightly different proprosal.
10/02/2010 09:41:38 PM
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At least I have an idea now of what books to watch for when I am out.
10/02/2010 11:04:26 PM
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Hmm
10/02/2010 12:20:52 PM
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The first book is one that I discussed at wotmania - Москва-Петушки
10/02/2010 01:46:57 PM
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I might be able to squeeze that in with my other readings
10/02/2010 12:53:02 AM
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Have you read Pelevin?
10/02/2010 03:16:22 AM
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No
10/02/2010 04:44:18 AM
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Strange - several of his books have been published in English and made a splash.
10/02/2010 01:50:34 PM
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I think you should go for it. Haven't we only been doing the book club every other month anyway?
09/02/2010 09:44:46 PM
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I wouldn't want to exclude Russian literature from the main book club, though.
09/02/2010 10:11:08 PM
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I don't think that it would have to exclude Russian literature from the regular book club.
09/02/2010 10:39:41 PM
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I suppose that I could just go ahead regardless.
10/02/2010 03:18:01 AM
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Ehem. This could be a joint collaboration between us. *NM*
10/02/2010 01:37:36 PM
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That was certainly what I meant, if not what the text of my previous reply implies or states.
10/02/2010 01:52:36 PM
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I was wondering this as well.
09/02/2010 01:25:09 PM
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We'll try to make sure the next book is even longer than this one was.
09/02/2010 01:31:44 PM
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The choice is obvious, then. A la Recherche du Temps Perdu. *NM*
09/02/2010 01:48:15 PM
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Oh, that's a good choice. Let's give everyone a week to finish, though.
09/02/2010 06:42:59 PM
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I need more time than that...
09/02/2010 08:45:03 PM
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Maybe you'll get a special dispensation, but nine is really as much as we can give.
09/02/2010 09:30:30 PM
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It would have been ok if I had started as soon as I knew the choice.
09/02/2010 02:17:43 PM
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Patience
09/02/2010 02:15:14 PM
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Is Larry right? Are you ecstatic about the prospect of an independent book club? *NM*
10/02/2010 03:18:44 AM
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The intent has always been to encourage people to hold and lead discussions.
10/02/2010 04:29:23 PM
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Lol. I figured it was put off for at least a month to let things cool down. *NM*
10/02/2010 12:32:05 AM
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How about the три мушкетёра?
10/02/2010 05:32:55 AM
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Wouldn't that be French?
10/02/2010 12:21:50 PM
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I nominate The Road by Cormac McCarthy!
10/02/2010 04:55:24 PM
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Yeah...uh...I think post this has turned into the inception of the Russian book club. *NM*
10/02/2010 05:55:06 PM
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Lol... I'll be back once we go west again... *NM*
10/02/2010 07:11:53 PM
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What do you have against Russian books? *NM*
10/02/2010 08:19:16 PM
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I don't have any, and I only nominated The Road because I had read it...
10/02/2010 08:33:57 PM
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Well I went ahead and ordered Doctor Zhivago and another The Master and Margarita
13/02/2010 12:13:15 AM
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