I don't actually remember how old I was when I read the book, but it was during high school. I don't in fact hold the book in high regard, and I didn't suggest that to be the case.
It seems we have to disagree about what you did or didn't suggest, then. Because "one of the stronger examples" and "a higher quality writing and storytelling than average" sounds to me like you do hold it in fairly high regard, even if you pointed out in the same post that it wasn't all that original or a masterpiece.
You seem to have terribly misread my opinion here. I am not indicating that Magician is one of the Best Fantasy Novels there is. Far from the fact actually. I have merely said that Magician is a good book to read for those interested in 'checking' out the genre. It's indicative. It is better than a lot of its contemporaries, which isn't saying much. It is an easy story to read, with good story telling and capable writing.
I'm not so sure that I have. Especially now that you confirm that you read the book a long time ago and haven't reread it since (or did you just mean you didn't reread it specifically for this book club?). As I wrote elsewhere in the thread, my opinion of the Empire series was fairly high based on my memories of reading it - but it's a lot lower now that I actually reread most of it. Then I don't think it's that unreasonable to suspect you might have a similar experience if you reread Magician, or that if you reread it and still liked it a lot, part of the reason why would be nostalgia, like with Eddings for so many people. I might be underrating the book by saying that, but then, neither of us seems to have read it any time recently.
I do not rate Jordan's work that highly. The man was able to cast a truly remarkable vision and create a very vast world and history. I find his characters to be stiff, conventional, and comprised mostly of cliche actions and sayings. His writing was only rarely concise... history sections and action scenes primarily. His characterization of women and most characters just outside the main PoVs is laughable. I enjoy the series for the grandness of it, but I haven't been able to make myself read the last couple books.
I admit I may have misinterpreted your reply to Myrdhyn as being more critical of WoT than it actually was. A number of times in recent months, you've made similar comments about not thinking WoT is all that great, and perhaps the contrast between that negative tone and your enthusiastic tone about Magician has made me misjudge your comparative views of the two, when in fact the remarks were made in very different contexts and can't be compared.
Of course, I don't rate Magician highly enough to reread it either. It was a very good book for the genre when it came out in the early 1980s, but much has surpassed it since. I do believe that Magician was a direct influence on writers that were to follow
No doubt.
Magician by Raymond E Feist: Book Club now open.
18/01/2010 05:13:45 PM
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Characters
18/01/2010 05:14:59 PM
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Re: Characters
19/01/2010 12:03:30 AM
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Re: Characters
19/01/2010 07:32:06 PM
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I feel just the opposite
20/01/2010 03:10:56 AM
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World building.
18/01/2010 05:16:21 PM
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I haven't read Magician in ages, so...
18/01/2010 10:16:46 PM
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The Hall of Worlds makes a first appearence in...
19/01/2010 12:01:19 AM
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Re: World building.
19/01/2010 07:58:40 PM
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there is a reason for that
27/01/2010 06:13:08 PM
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Doh! I had completely forgotten that.
27/01/2010 07:28:08 PM
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that said, it is my absolute favorite setting for D&D style gaming
29/01/2010 05:55:02 AM
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Plot.
18/01/2010 05:17:30 PM
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Is the book too long?
18/01/2010 05:20:54 PM
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I would be curious to see the original version too.
18/01/2010 11:55:06 PM
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General stuff &c.
18/01/2010 05:21:52 PM
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Magician is one of my favourite fantasy books.
18/01/2010 05:27:02 PM
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A "comfort read". I like that description.
20/01/2010 03:14:53 AM
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The Empire series is better than Feist by himself, IMO.
20/01/2010 07:55:30 AM
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Hmm. Maybe I will give it another shot. Craig was just trying to talk me into that yesterday.
20/01/2010 12:29:25 PM
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in that case, you should be wary of the most beautifully written fantasy series of all time
27/01/2010 06:32:07 PM
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Oh, I loved that series! At least after the first hundred pages or so. That didn't qualify as dark
31/01/2010 07:58:08 PM
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I think that my husband made a good choice when he used it to help hook and reel me into fantasy.
18/01/2010 11:58:00 PM
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It is a very good introduction into the fantasy genre... and a fun read. *NM*
19/01/2010 03:26:34 PM
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Is it, though?
20/01/2010 06:32:19 PM
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If not Magician, then what?
20/01/2010 07:50:35 PM
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Absolutely.
20/01/2010 08:19:19 PM
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May I ask...
20/01/2010 10:25:19 PM
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I think Feist's writing is superior to Jordan's.
20/01/2010 10:29:20 PM
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I've reread the original Riftwar books and the Empire series multiple time
27/01/2010 06:29:27 PM
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yeah, much better intro to fantasy then say David Eddings ** shudders ** *NM*
27/01/2010 06:22:51 PM
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Yes, for more mature readers (ie not children).
20/01/2010 08:28:10 PM
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Re: Yes, for more mature readers (ie not children).
20/01/2010 08:46:38 PM
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Aye, so do I.
20/01/2010 08:57:29 PM
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Agreed - people who first read him as adults are probably going to find him boring and repetitive.
20/01/2010 10:19:05 PM
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I'm pretty sure that that criticism can be levelled at many 'popular' genre writers/series.
21/01/2010 06:19:11 PM
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if you want to start the kids on fantasy even earlier, try this
27/01/2010 06:41:14 PM
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Re: if you want to start the kids on fantasy even earlier, try this
27/01/2010 07:40:52 PM
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Xanth and Shannarra got me hooked on Fantasy
27/01/2010 08:20:30 PM
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Re: Xanth and Shannarra got me hooked on Fantasy
27/01/2010 10:58:36 PM
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While it has its dark moments, it is much lighter than most fantasy. A very fun, easy read. *NM*
19/01/2010 07:50:52 PM
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Has anyone decided to continue on with the series?
29/01/2010 06:12:01 AM
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Yes
29/01/2010 10:08:20 AM
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Prince of the Blood (Original if possible) Why?
31/01/2010 04:05:25 PM
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Due to some Retcon
01/02/2010 11:12:47 AM
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you mean there are now THREE versions??
05/02/2010 05:45:51 AM
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As far as I know, I have read everything
05/02/2010 05:39:35 AM
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