I think fionwe has a point - it's not some kind of literature/non-literature divide.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 08/01/2010 08:37:31 PM
More like a continuum, much like the continuum between inaccessible arthouse movies on the one end and mindless blockbusters on the other. There's a lot of room in the middle. A blanket statement that the WoT characterizations are "wafer thin" is just not correct. There's a lot of caricature characters to be sure, because there's just an insane amount of characters, more than in almost every other written work I know of. The main characters are fleshed out plenty, though. Of course you said "most often", implying that you agree some characters are more fleshed out, and that it's all the caricature Aes Sedai and others that you object to, but then that would just mean that you dislike the Wheel of Time's structure with all the PoVs, characters and subplots in subplots. Because I really don't think it would be feasible to write anything like it while making your hundreds of characters fully fleshed out.
And of course your line about not understanding why some people try to make Jordan into a "master supreme" is just a big strawman, so you can easily attack an extreme claim that fionwe never made, while avoiding his actual, much more valid statements. He's not wrong that the description those people made of the series was rather, shall we say, small-minded and petty. Certainly a far cry from academic, which makes one wonder just what the target audience for this book is. It's not academics, and it's not your run-of-the-mill fantasy fan, those two things are for sure.
And of course your line about not understanding why some people try to make Jordan into a "master supreme" is just a big strawman, so you can easily attack an extreme claim that fionwe never made, while avoiding his actual, much more valid statements. He's not wrong that the description those people made of the series was rather, shall we say, small-minded and petty. Certainly a far cry from academic, which makes one wonder just what the target audience for this book is. It's not academics, and it's not your run-of-the-mill fantasy fan, those two things are for sure.
Farah Mendlesohn and Edward James on RJ, Goodkind, and Martin
07/12/2009 02:48:45 AM
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Pretty sure Nynaeve did not have red hair. Also pretty sure she wasn't a priestess.
07/12/2009 02:54:23 AM
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I think it was a tongue-in-cheek reference to an archetype, but yes, there are some errors here
07/12/2009 02:56:00 AM
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Re: Farah Mendlesohn and Edward James on RJ, Goodkind, and Martin
07/12/2009 04:38:07 AM
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Overall, a valid assessment.
07/12/2009 02:07:47 PM
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Nynaeve doesn't have red hair! She has brown hair!
07/12/2009 09:29:07 PM
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She's not a priestess, either. Other than "red-haired priestess" the rest was 100% valid.
08/12/2009 12:39:07 AM
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I mentioned her not being a priestess in my earlier post.
09/12/2009 03:23:12 AM
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Don't you think that, if that were corrected, the entries would be pretty much valid?
09/12/2009 09:12:55 PM
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Agree for the most part. When does the book officially come out?
08/12/2009 07:51:39 PM
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Book's been out since the summer, in the UK anyways
09/12/2009 02:33:05 AM
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Point taken. Despite not being the target audience, I'd still like to take a look at it.
09/12/2009 10:04:38 PM
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Erikson is like Martin? That's ridiculous!
09/12/2009 01:43:18 AM
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Influenced isn't the same as 'like'.
21/12/2009 06:04:53 PM
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So, you're right because you're right?
28/12/2009 03:25:33 AM
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Only because I'm willing to be honest even about things that I enjoy. *NM*
07/01/2010 06:00:02 PM
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I think fionwe has a point - it's not some kind of literature/non-literature divide.
08/01/2010 08:37:31 PM
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Actually, aSoIaF has one of the more accurate depictions of feudalism in modern fantasy. *NM*
08/01/2010 07:33:22 PM
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