Erikson has claimed Martin as an influence in some of his approach, but more in opening the door to certain types of characterization in the treatment of one's characters. In the same way, Bakker has claimed both Martin and Erikson as influences/ground breakers for they direction of fantasy in terms of style, approach, and tone.
Dunno about Bakker, but what kind of influence can Erikson claim about characterization? They're D&D cutouts, best depicted by their one line descriptions in his Dramatis Personae.
As the aim of these authors was to make a point about Martin's characterization and the impact it has had on the genre, they might have chosen a better example than Erikson to make their point.
As for Jordan, he developed one of the more entertaining fantasy series of the last 40 years. However, his characterizations are most often 'wafer thin' and extremely stereotypical of the genre.
And the example they used proved that? How is braid tugging even related to characterization? That's like saying a beautiful smile is "characterization".
And Nynaeve is not wafer thin. Are many of the tertiary characters, especially the Aes Sedai, thinly veiled variations of a prototype? Yes. Is that the attribute of the major characters and hence the series, not at all.
The setting is typical fantasy scape. I can quote dozens of fantasy worlds that have near identical set up, history, political situations. Sure, the details differ, but the underpinning themes and style is the same.
But they are not! Martin's pseudo-feudal society is far more common that RJ's regressing Renaissance era world. Not to mention the female dominated world and the far ranging consequences this has on Jordan's world. Hardly typical.
I don't understand why people try to make Jordan into a Master writer of some supreme Literature. He wrote a dang fine entertaining blockbuster... it's equivalent to a great popcorn flick. Enjoy it for what it is. Don't try to stretch it into what it isn't.
And I don't understand why self styled literary critics will insist that novels that are primarily entertaining cannot contains deeper themes and elements that deserve praise. No one is claiming Jordan is the second coming of Doestoevsky!
Farah Mendlesohn and Edward James on RJ, Goodkind, and Martin
07/12/2009 02:48:45 AM
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Pretty sure Nynaeve did not have red hair. Also pretty sure she wasn't a priestess.
07/12/2009 02:54:23 AM
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I think it was a tongue-in-cheek reference to an archetype, but yes, there are some errors here
07/12/2009 02:56:00 AM
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Re: Farah Mendlesohn and Edward James on RJ, Goodkind, and Martin
07/12/2009 04:38:07 AM
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Overall, a valid assessment.
07/12/2009 02:07:47 PM
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Nynaeve doesn't have red hair! She has brown hair!
07/12/2009 09:29:07 PM
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She's not a priestess, either. Other than "red-haired priestess" the rest was 100% valid.
08/12/2009 12:39:07 AM
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I mentioned her not being a priestess in my earlier post.
09/12/2009 03:23:12 AM
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Don't you think that, if that were corrected, the entries would be pretty much valid?
09/12/2009 09:12:55 PM
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Agree for the most part. When does the book officially come out?
08/12/2009 07:51:39 PM
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Book's been out since the summer, in the UK anyways
09/12/2009 02:33:05 AM
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Point taken. Despite not being the target audience, I'd still like to take a look at it.
09/12/2009 10:04:38 PM
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Erikson is like Martin? That's ridiculous!
09/12/2009 01:43:18 AM
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Influenced isn't the same as 'like'.
21/12/2009 06:04:53 PM
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So, you're right because you're right?
28/12/2009 03:25:33 AM
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Only because I'm willing to be honest even about things that I enjoy. *NM*
07/01/2010 06:00:02 PM
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I think fionwe has a point - it's not some kind of literature/non-literature divide.
08/01/2010 08:37:31 PM
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Actually, aSoIaF has one of the more accurate depictions of feudalism in modern fantasy. *NM*
08/01/2010 07:33:22 PM
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