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No, it doesn't. That will either justify or further condemn the wait. Werthead Send a noteboard - 13/12/2009 08:52:35 PM
If the book sucks, it can be said that the extra writing time was not ultimately a good idea. Elements of this are already in place with AFFC not being as strong in the story/character sense as the first three books, despite taking longer to come out (although not massively longer to write).

So that is part of the discussion. If ADWD sucks then the critics of the long writing/rewriting approach can claim justification (especially since ASoS, widely regarded as the best book, took the shortest time to write) that this approach is not the best one. Same if REPUBLIC OF THIEVES and THE WISE MAN'S FEAR are also not up to par.

And since Knife of Dreams was quite good, I think your point about Crossroads of Twilight isn't very strong.


That proves my point. Jordan should have dumped CoT, rewritten it as the opening of KoD (as it appears it should have been), and strengthened the overall quality of the series. He chose not to do so, damaging the overall quality and reputation of the series significantly and forcing KoD to be a 'damage control' book repairing the damage caused by the former volume and dragging the series back on track. He succeeded admirably in that task, but note it took 6-12 months longer than normal to write KoD (excluding the time spent expanding NS), possibly down to this reason.

Similarly, if Martin had released ADWD in 2006/07 as originally planned, and the book was in as bad a state as it now appears it was, ASoIaF's overall quality and reputation would also be significantly damaged, far moreso than due to the delay of the book. In this case, rewriting appears to have been the better policy. If the final version of ADWD is still a weak or poor book, then a counter-argument could be put forward that it wasn't the best move.

This is an inherent problem of these discussions: an awful lot of the points raised can only be corroborated or rejected by the final quality of the novel, which we do not know as of yet (although all the signs through the preview chapters of the latest draft are of significant improvements to pacing and plot progression over both AFFC and the earlier versions of ADWD, but these may not be representative of the full volume).
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I was 21 when A Feast for Crows came out Dark Knight - 10/12/2009 04:04:55 AM 1135 Views
And The Eye of the World was published before I was born. Quit complaining. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/12/2009 04:18:20 AM 398 Views
If he decides today that he doesn't want to write another book in his life, then he has every right lord-of-shadow - 10/12/2009 05:35:43 AM 987 Views
We've all heard Neil "You think he's God" Gaiman's stupid thoughts. Many of us disagree. *NM* Tom - 10/12/2009 03:55:17 PM 332 Views
Also, most of the fans complain more because we hear more about stupid knight figurines MightyYT - 11/12/2009 07:52:57 PM 847 Views
Re: MonCul - 11/12/2009 09:23:40 PM 832 Views
Agreed completely. Tom - 11/12/2009 09:51:06 PM 778 Views
I agree completely. Werthead - 11/12/2009 10:53:48 PM 791 Views
wow *NM* ianski - 14/12/2009 02:08:49 AM 295 Views
What was he making his money from before 2007? Joker - 15/12/2009 06:51:28 PM 841 Views
His work in TV and the film and movie rights to his work. Werthead - 15/12/2009 10:17:30 PM 828 Views
Re: His work in TV and the film and movie rights to his work. Jayhawk - 10/01/2010 02:02:30 AM 854 Views
I wish Martin was still 21. Maybe he'd live to finish the series. lankyevilme - 16/12/2009 04:44:27 AM 743 Views
Re: I wish Martin was still 21. Maybe he'd live to finish the series. lankyevilme - 16/12/2009 04:45:09 AM 767 Views
Indeed, and you have a right to do so. But not everyone has seen them, and I still agree with him. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2009 06:58:14 PM 319 Views
*NM* Joker - 15/12/2009 06:48:45 PM 285 Views
When FFC came out all this was trees. danskyw4lker - 10/12/2009 05:39:44 AM 763 Views
And I will be 100000000004 years old when ADWD makes it to the printing press. *NM* Animosity - 10/12/2009 11:05:44 AM 298 Views
It's a good thing we got cloning now *NM* AgentOrange - 10/12/2009 03:49:48 PM 273 Views
I was 21 when ASoS came out. Werthead - 11/12/2009 08:24:52 PM 801 Views
Of course, two books followed that one in the Wheel of Time. Ghavrel - 13/12/2009 04:53:17 AM 774 Views
That's not what I meant. Werthead - 13/12/2009 05:37:07 AM 738 Views
It just seems a particularly bizarre comparison as several books have been published since then. Ghavrel - 13/12/2009 06:55:16 AM 720 Views
But only one of them was any good. This leads into a core argument over writing speeds. Werthead - 13/12/2009 06:55:59 PM 670 Views
It also hinges on the fact that his upcoming book will be fantastic. Ghavrel - 13/12/2009 07:50:57 PM 790 Views
No, it doesn't. That will either justify or further condemn the wait. Werthead - 13/12/2009 08:52:35 PM 773 Views
Poor choice of comparison... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2009 08:20:14 AM 832 Views
That's a very coloured view. Werthead - 13/12/2009 06:47:16 PM 852 Views
Of course it is! That was the point... fionwe1987 - 16/12/2009 10:42:55 PM 882 Views
Re: Of course it is! That was the point... Werthead - 17/12/2009 01:34:36 AM 741 Views
I was 13 when Gene Wolfe's Soldier of the Mist came out Larry - 14/12/2009 02:32:45 AM 823 Views
You'd kill for some Latro action figures though, would't you? *NM* Werthead - 14/12/2009 05:30:46 PM 286 Views
Some days, I'd just kill... *NM* Larry - 17/12/2009 01:38:52 AM 306 Views
If Martin was 21, maybe he'd have enough time to finish the series. *NM* lankyevilme - 16/12/2009 04:46:32 AM 310 Views
I was twenty-one years when... Chas - 10/01/2010 02:16:45 PM 891 Views
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