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Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit. Lupine Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM
I was trying to convince at least some people that a non sci-fi/fantasy pick for the Book Club is a good idea.

Some of the language in your post comes off as unnecessarily denigrating to the sci-fic/fantasy genre, which is what people here love, after all. Most of us are also open to classics, but we'd rather hear why they're important than why so little spec fic can ever measure up. (I say "us" as a gesture of solidarity mostly... I've read maybe one spec fic book this year, compared with dozens from the literary/non-fiction genres.:P)
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In Support of Other Fiction Tom - 01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM 2071 Views
Rebekah - 01/12/2009 09:22:56 PM 1141 Views
Re: Tom - 01/12/2009 09:28:04 PM 1121 Views
you shouldn't feel the need to defend a non SF/F suggestion, just don't imlad - 03/12/2009 03:34:28 PM 1144 Views
Wow...we were just Santified *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:16:21 PM 564 Views
Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. jh - 01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM 1047 Views
I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality. Tom - 01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM 1132 Views
That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That. The Name With No Man - 01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM 1184 Views
I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM 1129 Views
perhaps some university will do a study imlad - 03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM 1087 Views
I'd like to see it Tom - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM 1138 Views
I'll get to it once I finish my thesis Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:56:29 PM 1078 Views
If it looks like crap and smells like crap... Tom - 03/12/2009 10:04:15 PM 1106 Views
I Think I'll Post a Thread on This. The Name With No Man - 03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM 1059 Views
I'd like to see it. Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM 1103 Views
Regarding depth in Jordan Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM 1110 Views
I was thinking about that too Tom - 03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM 1087 Views
Re: I was thinking about that too Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM 1179 Views
Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM 1074 Views
Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM 1103 Views
It would. Destroying the Wheel would likely make him a Buddhist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:51:17 PM 1085 Views
I Totally Missed That. Joel - 04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM 1159 Views
Re: I Totally Missed That. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM 1142 Views
I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM 1229 Views
Publication bookend Y2K? Camilla - 05/12/2009 10:36:01 AM 1152 Views
They're Thick Bookends. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 06:12:06 PM 1087 Views
I'll Try to Have It Up Tomorrow Early. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:24:18 PM 1189 Views
Re: Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:28:30 AM 1100 Views
I like it. Ghavrel - 01/12/2009 10:28:48 PM 1102 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:43:05 AM 1249 Views
I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time AgentOrange - 01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM 1195 Views
And, in recent memory, Orwell was a first-rate writer. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:44:29 AM 1184 Views
wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer??? imlad - 03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM 1149 Views
PJF is dirty? rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:16:12 AM 1032 Views
Nice post. Legolas - 02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM 1198 Views
Perhaps you're right. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:47:10 AM 1067 Views
In its entirety? No. Legolas - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM 1110 Views
I agree! Dragonsworn - 02/12/2009 12:17:10 AM 1314 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:50:22 AM 1020 Views
I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half... Larry - 02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM 1209 Views
Popcorn? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM 1136 Views
Yes Larry - 02/12/2009 12:39:10 AM 1179 Views
Lovecraft? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:51:55 AM 1167 Views
Re-read what I said Larry - 02/12/2009 12:55:08 AM 1236 Views
aahh Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:26:40 AM 1100 Views
I'm glad I could drive you from your Carthusian retreat, Larry Tom - 02/12/2009 01:58:49 AM 1129 Views
It won't last for long - have too many things still to deal with in my life Larry - 02/12/2009 02:36:15 AM 1128 Views
That's too bad. I'll have to learn monasterial sign language to continue a dialogue. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:49:01 AM 1087 Views
Well, I understand two out of those three languages Larry - 02/12/2009 03:56:00 AM 1101 Views
Larry, please tell me you weren't... imlad - 03/12/2009 04:33:32 PM 968 Views
I concur Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM 1091 Views
I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing). Tom - 02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM 1136 Views
Thank you Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:30:42 AM 1086 Views
more like the mom&pop greasy-spoon diner of writing *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:00:21 PM 524 Views
I'm going to put this in my sig, if you don't mind. Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:31:13 AM 1160 Views
hehehe Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:31:28 AM 1041 Views
Am i the only one who reads books for fun? Wibble - 02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM 1188 Views
There isn't necessarily a contradiction Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:38:43 AM 1121 Views
I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM 1092 Views
it didn't come across that way imlad - 03/12/2009 05:15:36 PM 1119 Views
Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM 1060 Views
one of the things that is important to me in books/shows imlad - 03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM 993 Views
We agree! Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:03:00 PM 1094 Views
WoT has decent characterization, though a little overwrought. Harrington... not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 04:26:43 AM 1255 Views
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM 1155 Views
i was gonna point that out. thnks. *NM* imlad - 02/12/2009 01:13:47 AM 473 Views
Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM 1187 Views
I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM 1088 Views
I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM 1062 Views
I would not disagree with you if you said that. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM 1017 Views
Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though. Werthead - 03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM 1011 Views
hear hear!! I agree totally wert-man imlad - 03/12/2009 07:20:09 PM 1080 Views
Which brings us back to my point. Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM 1133 Views
I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:24:02 PM 1023 Views
Re: I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:42:33 PM 1046 Views
Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM 1136 Views
Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today imlad - 02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM 1087 Views
don't get me wrong imlad - 02/12/2009 01:28:08 AM 1117 Views
"Pertinent", not "Pertinant". If it weren't in all caps I'd have ignored it this time. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:36 AM 1125 Views
SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive Werthead - 02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM 1078 Views
No, they are not Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:53 AM 1092 Views
This line is a load of bull bme - 03/12/2009 02:39:53 PM 1196 Views
So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction? nossy - 02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM 1057 Views
Why must we limit our focus in that way? Tom - 02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM 1048 Views
I don't see it as limiting or forcing. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM 1070 Views
"Elite club" or "elitist clique"? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1051 Views
Either way, I want in. *NM* Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:33:52 AM 567 Views
Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay* nossy - 02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM 1208 Views
I was born in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1117 Views
I know. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM 1048 Views
Green Acres in reverse, eh? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:38:09 PM 1083 Views
lmao Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:21:17 PM 1231 Views
*piledrivers you* nossy - 02/12/2009 06:28:02 PM 1015 Views
...! Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM 1065 Views
Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM 1075 Views
Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM 1022 Views
Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:39:36 PM 1032 Views
Re: Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:42:47 PM 1065 Views
Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist. Vodalus - 02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM 1029 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 02:21:00 AM 961 Views
Shitstorm! Vodalus - 02/12/2009 03:06:59 AM 1013 Views
Heh heh heh. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:45:40 AM 1061 Views
Read what you like to read. Craig - 02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM 1144 Views
I'll super size you. Fine. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM 535 Views
Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat! Craig - 02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM 1067 Views
I seem to have struck a nerve. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM 1100 Views
Apparently not the nerve you think, though. Craig - 02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM 1171 Views
Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM 1085 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM 1097 Views
Agreed. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:30:50 PM 1013 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:32:06 PM 1007 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Craig - 02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM 1138 Views
I really did get under your skin Tom - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM 1009 Views
Craig - 02/12/2009 10:06:46 PM 1007 Views
Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass. lord-of-shadow - 03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM 1065 Views
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care. Tom - 03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM 1046 Views
I keep replying. It's like a sickness. Craig - 03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM 1064 Views
Your subject line reinforces my opinion. Tom - 03/12/2009 05:31:50 AM 981 Views
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/12/2009 07:21:05 AM 518 Views
LOL! rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:21:36 AM 1023 Views
See, you just proved my point. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:39:59 AM 1068 Views
Hm. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM 1665 Views
Re-read my exact point. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM 1022 Views
No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM 1178 Views
There may have been an assumption about literature due to the reason for the post. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:37:47 PM 1078 Views
Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM 1173 Views
As I see it... Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM 1053 Views
Yep. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM 1216 Views
Re: Yep. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM 1078 Views
Euripides was poorly received, initially. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM 984 Views
Re: Euripides was poorly received, initially. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:00:35 PM 1014 Views
I know. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:18:16 PM 1077 Views
Re: I know. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:23:14 PM 1015 Views
That is why he's so good, in my opinion. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:15:45 PM 1174 Views
I wasn't looking to generate controversy Tom - 02/12/2009 02:19:13 PM 1174 Views
Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM 1169 Views
Well, I was being somewhat denigrating. "Unnecessarily" or not is a matter of debate. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:40:29 PM 1033 Views
Well, it's only "unnecessary" if you don't want people to be turned off of your message immediately. *NM* Craig - 02/12/2009 09:42:46 PM 521 Views
Judging from the responses, most people weren't turned off immediately. Tom - 02/12/2009 09:59:35 PM 1022 Views
All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity. Jacob - 02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM 1076 Views
Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM 1035 Views
I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic Jacob - 02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM 1050 Views
It seems a regressive argument to me. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM 1001 Views
You're playing a game. Jacob - 03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM 1081 Views
I like your response. *NM* Aeryn - 03/12/2009 05:37:09 PM 487 Views
I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM 1070 Views
Oh I concur on that distinction. Jacob - 04/12/2009 09:06:34 PM 1116 Views
Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies? Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM 998 Views
Bulgakov Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM 1053 Views
I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM 1023 Views
Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM 978 Views
Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM 1009 Views
Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Camilla - 02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM 1059 Views
I suppose. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM 1060 Views
Re: I suppose. Camilla - 02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM 1066 Views
Well, I don't hold escapism in such low esteem *NM* Ouranid - 02/12/2009 07:56:13 PM 528 Views
That is what I mean Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:36:02 PM 990 Views
This was something I was exploring earlier. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM 1102 Views
Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM 1064 Views
I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction Tom - 02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM 1138 Views
Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM 1114 Views
There's an interesting book in Russian that might be translated somewhere. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:02:48 PM 1127 Views
i think it comes more down to quality than genre. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM 1079 Views
I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM 1053 Views
the illiad is a classic LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM 1072 Views
There's only one "L" in Iliad Tom - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 1040 Views
Is there a safe answer to that question? *NM* LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 10:33:21 PM 551 Views
Maybe not. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 519 Views
It took me a few minutes to agree Beqi - 02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM 1026 Views
Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Tom - 02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM 1042 Views
Re: Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:20:49 PM 1020 Views
I don't know. I've only read about 30 pages so far. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:54 PM 549 Views
Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM 1148 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:40:53 PM 1055 Views
Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM 1070 Views
The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM 1119 Views
Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. AgentOrange - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1074 Views
Heh Rebekah - 02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM 1077 Views
What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom AgentOrange - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 1047 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom Camilla - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1065 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 1030 Views
No, but it does bill itself as science fiction/fantasy. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:51:41 PM 1159 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1156 Views
I think Rebekah and Camilla put it well. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:24 PM 1129 Views
I think they make good points, as I said above. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:56:55 PM 1023 Views
I agree with in principle random thoughts - 02/12/2009 11:22:19 PM 1005 Views
Certainly. People are free to skip any discussion. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:01:40 AM 1122 Views
I have a few objections. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM 1090 Views
where else should we talk about it? LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM 1049 Views
There's a difference between having threads about it and focusing the official book club on it. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:40:53 AM 1145 Views
This is the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Board for site optimization purposes. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:07:39 AM 14084 Views
random thoughts stole my subject line Chas - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1091 Views
I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Tom - 03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM 1105 Views
Re: I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Chas - 03/12/2009 02:38:17 AM 1158 Views
That's it Ouranid - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1164 Views
Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following: Tom - 03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM 1100 Views
Certainly Ouranid - 03/12/2009 06:13:38 AM 1146 Views
technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM 450 Views
According to whom? *NM* Camilla - 03/12/2009 03:55:45 PM 576 Views
Yeah. What she asked! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:55 PM 540 Views
Yes, it is but actually... Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM 1075 Views
Eternal Sunshine doesn't have a mad scientist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:09:01 PM 1001 Views
Really? Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:01:42 PM 1055 Views
But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM* everynametaken - 03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM 546 Views
*pumps fist* Give it up for Dan Brown! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 03:58:23 AM 541 Views
That's Dan "booyah" Brown!!! Booyah!!! *NM* everynametaken - 04/12/2009 02:00:56 AM 548 Views
another thing wrong with your argument imlad - 03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM 1057 Views
Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 882 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) imlad - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1181 Views
No problem. On the substantive points: Tom - 03/12/2009 08:00:33 PM 1113 Views
more importantly, which I think it being lost in all this, Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:05:27 PM 1115 Views
I'm not reading the Iliad again, once was enough random thoughts - 04/12/2009 12:19:07 PM 1045 Views
is it just me, or is this now the largest post/thread yet on RAFO.com??? 168 replies so far! *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:03:25 PM 481 Views
Well, for once we're discussing books...and their value. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 06:54:01 PM 550 Views
Congratulations on the replies count Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM 1178 Views
That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM 1131 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM 1111 Views
But the objective truth of a setting can be measured. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM 1038 Views
But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book? Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM 1200 Views
YES. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:34:17 PM 1017 Views
NO Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:40:33 PM 1103 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM 1050 Views
Yes, it is worse with movies. Much worse, in fact. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:33:18 PM 1097 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM 1052 Views
Maybe we're different, but I don't care for FX AgentOrange - 06/12/2009 01:37:53 PM 997 Views
This is not about the personal taste Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:50:34 PM 1100 Views
I've obviously missed the show here... rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM 1020 Views
I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM 1137 Views
What, your penis? rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM 1021 Views
Don't you know it! Tom - 06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM 937 Views
You talk the talk, that's for sure. rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM 1076 Views
Hate to break it to you... Craig - 07/12/2009 09:54:24 PM 1128 Views
I thought you were gonna tell me... rebelaessedai - 08/12/2009 03:07:54 PM 1193 Views
Metaphor versus literalism Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM 1094 Views
Metaphor divorced from the reality runs risks, however. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:25:47 PM 1011 Views
Honestly, the moral can always be dismissed as inapplicable if you want to dismiss it. Legolas - 05/12/2009 12:16:39 AM 1073 Views
While that's true, it's much harder to just dismiss Mockingbird. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:57:42 AM 1038 Views
Then why read fiction at all? It's all a diversion. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:16:06 PM 1032 Views
I think people should read non-fiction, and The Nine Hundred Days is an excellent book. Tom - 05/12/2009 04:41:50 PM 1023 Views
aha. but. Camilla - 07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM 1230 Views
Quoting Nietzsche is really hitting below the belt. Tom - 07/12/2009 09:12:34 PM 1168 Views
It is good I was only paraphrasing, then Camilla - 08/12/2009 10:44:14 AM 1063 Views
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