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In its entirety? No. Legolas Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM
I am inviting responses from people who want to read good fiction, regardless of genre.

With respect to the Iliad, Odyssey and the Aeneid (and, really, also with respect to The Divine Comedy) you have to read the works in the original to get the full value of the poetry. The poetry's the thing. I'm sure you're aware of that. Hadn't you read the Aeneid in Latin?


When I read them in class, it was in the original, of course, but equally obviously, we didn't have the time in class to read even as much as 10% of those works, just a few hundred lines of each, spread out over a number of passages. Probably less than 5%.
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In Support of Other Fiction Tom - 01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM 2050 Views
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Re: Tom - 01/12/2009 09:28:04 PM 1098 Views
you shouldn't feel the need to defend a non SF/F suggestion, just don't imlad - 03/12/2009 03:34:28 PM 1113 Views
Wow...we were just Santified *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:16:21 PM 551 Views
Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. jh - 01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM 1021 Views
I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality. Tom - 01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM 1108 Views
That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That. The Name With No Man - 01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM 1159 Views
I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM 1100 Views
perhaps some university will do a study imlad - 03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM 1062 Views
I'd like to see it Tom - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM 1116 Views
I'll get to it once I finish my thesis Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:56:29 PM 1053 Views
If it looks like crap and smells like crap... Tom - 03/12/2009 10:04:15 PM 1079 Views
I Think I'll Post a Thread on This. The Name With No Man - 03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM 1023 Views
I'd like to see it. Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM 1074 Views
Regarding depth in Jordan Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM 1086 Views
I was thinking about that too Tom - 03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM 1056 Views
Re: I was thinking about that too Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM 1156 Views
Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM 1046 Views
Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM 1081 Views
It would. Destroying the Wheel would likely make him a Buddhist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:51:17 PM 1059 Views
I Totally Missed That. Joel - 04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM 1131 Views
Re: I Totally Missed That. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM 1116 Views
I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM 1200 Views
Publication bookend Y2K? Camilla - 05/12/2009 10:36:01 AM 1115 Views
They're Thick Bookends. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 06:12:06 PM 1062 Views
I'll Try to Have It Up Tomorrow Early. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:24:18 PM 1162 Views
Re: Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:28:30 AM 1073 Views
I like it. Ghavrel - 01/12/2009 10:28:48 PM 1079 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:43:05 AM 1221 Views
I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time AgentOrange - 01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM 1171 Views
And, in recent memory, Orwell was a first-rate writer. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:44:29 AM 1160 Views
wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer??? imlad - 03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM 1124 Views
PJF is dirty? rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:16:12 AM 1004 Views
Nice post. Legolas - 02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM 1172 Views
Perhaps you're right. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:47:10 AM 1040 Views
In its entirety? No. Legolas - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM 1088 Views
I agree! Dragonsworn - 02/12/2009 12:17:10 AM 1288 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:50:22 AM 991 Views
I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half... Larry - 02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM 1178 Views
Popcorn? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM 1104 Views
Yes Larry - 02/12/2009 12:39:10 AM 1150 Views
Lovecraft? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:51:55 AM 1143 Views
Re-read what I said Larry - 02/12/2009 12:55:08 AM 1210 Views
aahh Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:26:40 AM 1074 Views
I'm glad I could drive you from your Carthusian retreat, Larry Tom - 02/12/2009 01:58:49 AM 1110 Views
It won't last for long - have too many things still to deal with in my life Larry - 02/12/2009 02:36:15 AM 1096 Views
That's too bad. I'll have to learn monasterial sign language to continue a dialogue. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:49:01 AM 1059 Views
Well, I understand two out of those three languages Larry - 02/12/2009 03:56:00 AM 1082 Views
Larry, please tell me you weren't... imlad - 03/12/2009 04:33:32 PM 947 Views
I concur Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM 1063 Views
I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing). Tom - 02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM 1111 Views
Thank you Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:30:42 AM 1064 Views
more like the mom&pop greasy-spoon diner of writing *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:00:21 PM 511 Views
I'm going to put this in my sig, if you don't mind. Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:31:13 AM 1136 Views
hehehe Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:31:28 AM 1023 Views
Am i the only one who reads books for fun? Wibble - 02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM 1166 Views
There isn't necessarily a contradiction Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:38:43 AM 1098 Views
I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM 1067 Views
it didn't come across that way imlad - 03/12/2009 05:15:36 PM 1093 Views
Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM 1037 Views
one of the things that is important to me in books/shows imlad - 03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM 972 Views
We agree! Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:03:00 PM 1062 Views
WoT has decent characterization, though a little overwrought. Harrington... not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 04:26:43 AM 1230 Views
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM 1131 Views
i was gonna point that out. thnks. *NM* imlad - 02/12/2009 01:13:47 AM 461 Views
Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM 1165 Views
I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM 1062 Views
I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM 1038 Views
I would not disagree with you if you said that. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM 990 Views
Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though. Werthead - 03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM 987 Views
hear hear!! I agree totally wert-man imlad - 03/12/2009 07:20:09 PM 1059 Views
Which brings us back to my point. Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM 1114 Views
I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:24:02 PM 997 Views
Re: I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:42:33 PM 1022 Views
Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM 1112 Views
Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today imlad - 02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM 1054 Views
don't get me wrong imlad - 02/12/2009 01:28:08 AM 1094 Views
"Pertinent", not "Pertinant". If it weren't in all caps I'd have ignored it this time. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:36 AM 1099 Views
SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive Werthead - 02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM 1060 Views
No, they are not Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:53 AM 1067 Views
This line is a load of bull bme - 03/12/2009 02:39:53 PM 1174 Views
So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction? nossy - 02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM 1036 Views
Why must we limit our focus in that way? Tom - 02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM 1021 Views
I don't see it as limiting or forcing. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM 1044 Views
"Elite club" or "elitist clique"? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1032 Views
Either way, I want in. *NM* Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:33:52 AM 556 Views
Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay* nossy - 02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM 1185 Views
I was born in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1097 Views
I know. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM 1028 Views
Green Acres in reverse, eh? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:38:09 PM 1044 Views
lmao Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:21:17 PM 1204 Views
*piledrivers you* nossy - 02/12/2009 06:28:02 PM 995 Views
...! Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM 1039 Views
Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM 1052 Views
Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM 997 Views
Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:39:36 PM 1012 Views
Re: Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:42:47 PM 1035 Views
Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist. Vodalus - 02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM 1003 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 02:21:00 AM 936 Views
Shitstorm! Vodalus - 02/12/2009 03:06:59 AM 993 Views
Heh heh heh. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:45:40 AM 1038 Views
Read what you like to read. Craig - 02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM 1117 Views
I'll super size you. Fine. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM 524 Views
Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat! Craig - 02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM 1042 Views
I seem to have struck a nerve. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM 1079 Views
Apparently not the nerve you think, though. Craig - 02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM 1148 Views
Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM 1062 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM 1075 Views
Agreed. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:30:50 PM 989 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:32:06 PM 988 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Craig - 02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM 1111 Views
I really did get under your skin Tom - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM 985 Views
Craig - 02/12/2009 10:06:46 PM 980 Views
Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass. lord-of-shadow - 03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM 1043 Views
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care. Tom - 03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM 1019 Views
I keep replying. It's like a sickness. Craig - 03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM 1043 Views
Your subject line reinforces my opinion. Tom - 03/12/2009 05:31:50 AM 957 Views
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/12/2009 07:21:05 AM 507 Views
LOL! rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:21:36 AM 997 Views
See, you just proved my point. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:39:59 AM 1036 Views
Hm. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM 1630 Views
Re-read my exact point. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM 998 Views
No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM 1150 Views
There may have been an assumption about literature due to the reason for the post. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:37:47 PM 1057 Views
Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM 1142 Views
As I see it... Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM 1032 Views
Yep. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM 1186 Views
Re: Yep. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM 1054 Views
Euripides was poorly received, initially. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM 957 Views
Re: Euripides was poorly received, initially. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:00:35 PM 990 Views
I know. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:18:16 PM 1051 Views
Re: I know. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:23:14 PM 992 Views
That is why he's so good, in my opinion. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:15:45 PM 1148 Views
I wasn't looking to generate controversy Tom - 02/12/2009 02:19:13 PM 1152 Views
Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM 1138 Views
Well, I was being somewhat denigrating. "Unnecessarily" or not is a matter of debate. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:40:29 PM 1012 Views
Well, it's only "unnecessary" if you don't want people to be turned off of your message immediately. *NM* Craig - 02/12/2009 09:42:46 PM 508 Views
Judging from the responses, most people weren't turned off immediately. Tom - 02/12/2009 09:59:35 PM 1002 Views
All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity. Jacob - 02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM 1053 Views
Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM 1004 Views
I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic Jacob - 02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM 1024 Views
It seems a regressive argument to me. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM 978 Views
You're playing a game. Jacob - 03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM 1055 Views
I like your response. *NM* Aeryn - 03/12/2009 05:37:09 PM 477 Views
I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM 1045 Views
Oh I concur on that distinction. Jacob - 04/12/2009 09:06:34 PM 1087 Views
Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies? Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM 975 Views
Bulgakov Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM 1024 Views
I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM 997 Views
Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM 951 Views
Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM 986 Views
Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Camilla - 02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM 1026 Views
I suppose. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM 1036 Views
Re: I suppose. Camilla - 02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM 1043 Views
Well, I don't hold escapism in such low esteem *NM* Ouranid - 02/12/2009 07:56:13 PM 516 Views
That is what I mean Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:36:02 PM 966 Views
This was something I was exploring earlier. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM 1077 Views
Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM 1040 Views
I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction Tom - 02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM 1122 Views
Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM 1092 Views
There's an interesting book in Russian that might be translated somewhere. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:02:48 PM 1092 Views
i think it comes more down to quality than genre. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM 1054 Views
I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM 1030 Views
the illiad is a classic LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM 1052 Views
There's only one "L" in Iliad Tom - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 1019 Views
Is there a safe answer to that question? *NM* LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 10:33:21 PM 539 Views
Maybe not. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 508 Views
It took me a few minutes to agree Beqi - 02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM 1003 Views
Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Tom - 02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM 1022 Views
Re: Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:20:49 PM 997 Views
I don't know. I've only read about 30 pages so far. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:54 PM 538 Views
Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM 1131 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:40:53 PM 1020 Views
Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM 1044 Views
The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM 1094 Views
Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. AgentOrange - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1048 Views
Heh Rebekah - 02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM 1054 Views
What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom AgentOrange - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 1025 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom Camilla - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1040 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 1009 Views
No, but it does bill itself as science fiction/fantasy. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:51:41 PM 1135 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1132 Views
I think Rebekah and Camilla put it well. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:24 PM 1109 Views
I think they make good points, as I said above. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:56:55 PM 995 Views
I agree with in principle random thoughts - 02/12/2009 11:22:19 PM 983 Views
Certainly. People are free to skip any discussion. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:01:40 AM 1104 Views
I have a few objections. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM 1068 Views
where else should we talk about it? LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM 1026 Views
There's a difference between having threads about it and focusing the official book club on it. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:40:53 AM 1118 Views
This is the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Board for site optimization purposes. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:07:39 AM 14057 Views
random thoughts stole my subject line Chas - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1066 Views
I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Tom - 03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM 1077 Views
Re: I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Chas - 03/12/2009 02:38:17 AM 1132 Views
That's it Ouranid - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1138 Views
Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following: Tom - 03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM 1069 Views
Certainly Ouranid - 03/12/2009 06:13:38 AM 1123 Views
technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM 437 Views
According to whom? *NM* Camilla - 03/12/2009 03:55:45 PM 564 Views
Yeah. What she asked! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:55 PM 527 Views
Yes, it is but actually... Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM 1056 Views
Eternal Sunshine doesn't have a mad scientist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:09:01 PM 977 Views
Really? Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:01:42 PM 1032 Views
But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM* everynametaken - 03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM 535 Views
*pumps fist* Give it up for Dan Brown! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 03:58:23 AM 527 Views
That's Dan "booyah" Brown!!! Booyah!!! *NM* everynametaken - 04/12/2009 02:00:56 AM 534 Views
another thing wrong with your argument imlad - 03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM 1033 Views
Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 859 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) imlad - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1156 Views
No problem. On the substantive points: Tom - 03/12/2009 08:00:33 PM 1090 Views
more importantly, which I think it being lost in all this, Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:05:27 PM 1096 Views
I'm not reading the Iliad again, once was enough random thoughts - 04/12/2009 12:19:07 PM 1019 Views
is it just me, or is this now the largest post/thread yet on RAFO.com??? 168 replies so far! *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:03:25 PM 467 Views
Well, for once we're discussing books...and their value. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 06:54:01 PM 540 Views
Congratulations on the replies count Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM 1153 Views
That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM 1102 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM 1079 Views
But the objective truth of a setting can be measured. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM 1015 Views
But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book? Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM 1175 Views
YES. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:34:17 PM 984 Views
NO Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:40:33 PM 1065 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM 1024 Views
Yes, it is worse with movies. Much worse, in fact. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:33:18 PM 1074 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM 1025 Views
Maybe we're different, but I don't care for FX AgentOrange - 06/12/2009 01:37:53 PM 965 Views
This is not about the personal taste Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:50:34 PM 1073 Views
I've obviously missed the show here... rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM 988 Views
I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM 1117 Views
What, your penis? rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM 994 Views
Don't you know it! Tom - 06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM 902 Views
You talk the talk, that's for sure. rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM 1049 Views
Hate to break it to you... Craig - 07/12/2009 09:54:24 PM 1100 Views
I thought you were gonna tell me... rebelaessedai - 08/12/2009 03:07:54 PM 1160 Views
Metaphor versus literalism Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM 1067 Views
Metaphor divorced from the reality runs risks, however. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:25:47 PM 982 Views
Honestly, the moral can always be dismissed as inapplicable if you want to dismiss it. Legolas - 05/12/2009 12:16:39 AM 1044 Views
While that's true, it's much harder to just dismiss Mockingbird. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:57:42 AM 1007 Views
Then why read fiction at all? It's all a diversion. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:16:06 PM 1004 Views
I think people should read non-fiction, and The Nine Hundred Days is an excellent book. Tom - 05/12/2009 04:41:50 PM 991 Views
aha. but. Camilla - 07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM 1194 Views
Quoting Nietzsche is really hitting below the belt. Tom - 07/12/2009 09:12:34 PM 1141 Views
It is good I was only paraphrasing, then Camilla - 08/12/2009 10:44:14 AM 1032 Views
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