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Jacob Send a noteboard - 06/11/2009 08:56:55 PM
It did have excellent worldbuilding, and showed the reader the world without a huge info-dump. Scholes never had to resort to a five page long reflection by Neb to give us the history of the world. I liked that a lot, the fact that we had to learn as we go along, but we did learn, we didn't stay confused the whole book long.
This was certainly one of the primary strengths of the novel, which kept it compelling and interesting even when the plot developments where somewhat expected. The book has something of a table setter feel to it... a primer into the world and the primary characters before the story really gets started. From reading the second novel, I stand firm in that assessment.
It was interesting to see the technology of the Androfrancines alongside "magick", though most of the magick did seem very science-based. The powders and potions could simply have been discovered by chemists and passed down as "magick". Some things were more mystical, like the Seven Cacophonic Deaths of the evil wizard (X'Hum Y'zir something). The metal men and other mechanicals were interesting, and it was cool to see droids alongside medieval kings and armies.
The magic was more of a physical element to it, like a apothecary/alchemist... but that was almost more specifically the Earth Magic that the Androfrancines permitted to be used and studied.
Isaak was a good character, it was really easy to forget he was a robot. This doesn't seem to be the case with the other metal men, they do seem to be machines and little more. It may actually excuse the actions of some of the characters throughout the book. Rudolfo was very careful to be polite at all times to Isaak, and even named him Isaak, which turns out to be a very personal gesture. But other characters like Oriv/Resolute treated Isaak like a second class citizen, like property and nothing more. At first this made him and others look like arrogant jerks, but after seeing the rest of the mechanicals, maybe it's because they have always behaved like property and it's not arrogance. It will be interesting to see if the other mechanicals grow in any way, or if they always stay machines. Them treating Isaak like their leader was interesting, I was expecting him to be an outcast. But an outcast is a human thing, not a robot thing.
I really enjoyed Isaak as a character as well. I guess we shouldn't be surprised by that, as the series is called The Psalms of Isaak. He is something of the pivot point of the story. Scholes did a great job making him both alien and very human... always compelling.
You get to see more of the mechanicals in CANTICLE, but not in the ways you were expecting... unless you read the little prologue included at the end of the paperback copy of the book.
Anyways, the rest of the world kind of fell into their place alongside countless other fantasy works. House Li Tam and the Androfrancines were the Bene Gesserit, the Aes Sedai of the world. The Androfrancines had the power and the technology, and House Li Tam was the power behind the throne, pulling strings and guiding the world. I did like the scene between Rudolfo and Vlad Li Tam towards the end, when Vlad was burning the Li Tam private library and leaving the Named Lands.
That scene, as well the scene between the old Pope and Li Tam was rather well done if short.
Neb was the young boy who will become the savior of the world, while the Marsh Folk were the mysterious savages who turn out to be much more. It will be interesting to see where this storyline goes though.
Man, you need to read CANTICLE.
And is it a given that this is all in the far future? That we are the Old World, that the Age of Laughing Madness and Churning Wastes are a result of Nukes or chemical agents? At times it hinted that they had come to a new world, but whether that means another planet or another continent is debatable. The Moon Wizard was hinted at, and it will be interesting to see if that plays a bigger part in the story.
As far as I can piece together, the Churning Wastes and the Age of Laughing Madness was the result of the magical apocalypse caused by the Death Choirs singing the 7 Cacophonic Deaths after P'Andro Whym killed the Wizard kings. Whym was trying to bring back the age of Science from before the previous cataclysm... that age is called the Age of the Younger Gods, and I think it correlates with our today or a similar civilization and technology. The mechanicals and some of the other technology was originally generated during that age, recovered by Rufello during the Science renaissance, and recovered by the Androfrancines.
The moon seems to have been inhabited, it is referred to as green and blue and there being a tower on it. There is a whole lot more of this in Canticle.
So yeah, I liked the book. I'll be recommending it to others, and following the story. How many books are expected in the series?
5 books in total, with two out. Scholes is finished with the 3rd, with an expected publication early next year. I've talked to him a couple times, and he's very confident that all 5 will be published and available by late winter/early spring of 2011, a year and some months from now.
CANTICLE is so much better than Lamentation. It has some actual surprises and twists to it. The writing is better, as is the characterization. So, if you liked it, you'll really enjoy CANTICLE. Just, don't rush out and buy it if you haven't already. You've been entered into the drawing to win it for free. I will announce the winners early next week.
Lamentation by Ken Scholes the Discussion Thread
06/11/2009 04:57:27 PM
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The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak.
06/11/2009 06:43:57 PM
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Reminded me of WoT...
06/11/2009 09:41:44 PM
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Same here, at least as far as the world creation goes.
12/11/2009 05:18:27 PM
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Can't believe I never noticed that...
13/11/2009 05:04:27 AM
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Complete with salty sayings, even!
13/11/2009 04:05:45 PM
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At least it wasn't as heavy-handed in LAMENTATION.
13/11/2009 08:42:36 PM
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But Siuan's fish talk is fun!
13/11/2009 10:22:23 PM
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As in most cases with Jordan...
16/11/2009 05:02:21 PM
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He did not...
16/11/2009 10:21:15 PM
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/Setting: codes and ciphers
10/11/2009 12:19:27 AM
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My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>)
06/11/2009 07:38:26 PM
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Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>)
06/11/2009 08:56:55 PM
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Themes...
06/11/2009 09:00:23 PM
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I feel like I should have posted a reveiw but I really such at reveiws. Anyway...
07/11/2009 04:53:15 AM
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If you don't mind me asking, what series/books in particular have characters you don't care for?
10/11/2009 08:12:52 PM
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Characters...
08/11/2009 02:30:30 AM
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Isaak, or "he who laughs".
08/11/2009 02:54:44 AM
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Indeed.
10/11/2009 05:31:55 PM
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Personally I can't wait to see how Neb developes... *NM*
10/11/2009 12:05:05 AM
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Winters & Neb
11/11/2009 04:56:35 PM
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Should you ever conduct an interview with Scholes, would you ask him...
12/11/2009 05:51:52 PM
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That's a great question.
12/11/2009 07:38:13 PM
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Thanks in advance. And please let me know his answer one way or the other.
13/11/2009 03:40:19 AM
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