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Magic System... or is there one? Jacob Send a noteboard - 06/11/2009 07:07:20 PM
Readers are introduced to Scholes world with a very powerful and destructive display of magical power. A city is destroyed completely by a single massive attack. Yet, what do we know about magic in this world by the end of the novel?

Scholes delineates a few types of magic, earth magic and blood magic for example. We get several examples of earth magic being practiced. The Scout Magics are earth magic, while the Marsher's voice magic, is blood magic. We are told that blood magics where outlawed by the Order and all allied nations, and it is mentioned that a terrible and 'evil' price was paid to access the powers of blood magic.

I find the earth magics that show up in LAMENTATION to be pretty well integrated into the story, and plausible enough. The voice magic, unexplained, still worked for me. It's when I think about that major spell, the The Seven Polyphonic Deaths (or whatever it's called), where I start having questions. Earth magic is derived from properties of the earth, and blood magic... from elements of ritual surrounding the blood. Still, the spell the Isaak sings is words and he is a robot. We are told that this is a most terrible of blood magics, but my question is how? There probably isn't an answer to that one, perhaps a story hole, but it's something to think about.

The elements of dreaming and mysticism fit well with in the story style, and again were well utilized by Scholes in the narrative.

Anyway, what do you think? What did you enjoy about the 'magic' of LAMENTATION? What did you find lacking?
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Lamentation by Ken Scholes the Discussion Thread - 06/11/2009 04:57:27 PM 922 Views
The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak. - 06/11/2009 06:43:57 PM 648 Views
Reminded me of WoT... - 06/11/2009 09:41:44 PM 656 Views
There are some definite similarities. - 07/11/2009 07:57:38 PM 590 Views
Same here, at least as far as the world creation goes. - 12/11/2009 05:18:27 PM 593 Views
Can't believe I never noticed that... - 13/11/2009 05:04:27 AM 631 Views
Complete with salty sayings, even! - 13/11/2009 04:05:45 PM 575 Views
At least it wasn't as heavy-handed in LAMENTATION. - 13/11/2009 08:42:36 PM 600 Views
But Siuan's fish talk is fun! - 13/11/2009 10:22:23 PM 622 Views
As in most cases with Jordan... - 16/11/2009 05:02:21 PM 653 Views
He did not... - 16/11/2009 10:21:15 PM 667 Views
Yes, he most certainly did. - 17/11/2009 02:20:28 PM 683 Views
What? - 18/11/2009 07:58:21 AM 674 Views
Re: The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak. - 07/11/2009 05:07:08 AM 641 Views
Well, if it isn't.. - 07/11/2009 07:54:36 PM 596 Views
/Setting: codes and ciphers - 10/11/2009 12:19:27 AM 621 Views
That did bug me a bit... - 10/11/2009 01:31:04 AM 663 Views
I certainly liked the idea... - 10/11/2009 05:22:00 PM 587 Views
Glad to know I wasn't the only way who noticed this - 12/11/2009 01:40:53 AM 560 Views
Nonverbal languages - 12/11/2009 05:28:38 PM 665 Views
Re: Nonverbal languages - 13/11/2009 05:09:25 PM 543 Views
It does require... - 13/11/2009 08:51:46 PM 562 Views
Magic System... or is there one? - 06/11/2009 07:07:20 PM 708 Views
My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 06/11/2009 07:38:26 PM 775 Views
Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 06/11/2009 08:56:55 PM 867 Views
Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 07/11/2009 01:28:51 AM 838 Views
Themes... - 06/11/2009 09:00:23 PM 713 Views
Loss of innocents... - 07/11/2009 05:15:40 AM 720 Views
Absolutely. - 10/11/2009 07:39:29 PM 588 Views
Re: Themes... - 07/11/2009 04:34:12 PM 694 Views
I think... - 07/11/2009 07:52:12 PM 622 Views
Re: I think... - 08/11/2009 12:42:05 AM 587 Views
I purchased this as an afterthought. - 07/11/2009 04:00:42 PM 674 Views
Characters... - 08/11/2009 02:30:30 AM 662 Views
Isaak, or "he who laughs". - 08/11/2009 02:54:44 AM 754 Views
Indeed. - 10/11/2009 05:31:55 PM 534 Views
I hope we never do get a POV from him. - 10/11/2009 09:10:49 PM 614 Views
Me too. - 11/11/2009 02:20:04 PM 602 Views
That's funny... - 11/11/2009 06:04:13 PM 590 Views
Personally I can't wait to see how Neb developes... *NM* - 10/11/2009 12:05:05 AM 324 Views
Yes, - 10/11/2009 05:27:04 PM 628 Views
Re: Yes, - 10/11/2009 08:01:14 PM 784 Views
Well... hold out. - 10/11/2009 08:23:39 PM 576 Views
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Winters & Neb - 11/11/2009 04:56:35 PM 621 Views
Being, deep down, a romantic at heart... - 12/11/2009 05:31:54 PM 773 Views
I like it too. - 12/11/2009 07:52:05 PM 614 Views
Climactic events and the let down... - 11/11/2009 06:56:33 AM 630 Views
In such a way, the book is a Lament. - 11/11/2009 02:18:17 PM 643 Views
Should you ever conduct an interview with Scholes, would you ask him... - 12/11/2009 05:51:52 PM 592 Views
That's a great question. - 12/11/2009 07:38:13 PM 596 Views

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