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Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla Send a noteboard - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM
Twain's use of "nigger" was mordant and satirical. Martin's use of rape verges on erotic at times, and that is what so many people have a problem with--not that there is rape, but that it's treated as entertainment more than it is a horrific physical and psychological assault.

Yup, that is about it. And then there is the dubious presentation of the dothraki as almost defined by their acceptance of rape.

Well I disagree as the rape wasn't at all erotic but truly disturbing. Why is presenting the dothrakia the way many cultures back then, accepting rape, actually were? I again point to Mark Twain.


And when you say "rape" now, I take it you do not mean the wedding night scene. I do. I am not claiming the later rapes were presented as seductions/erotic.
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Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2177 Views
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Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2156 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2308 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2159 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2249 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2210 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2200 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2299 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2442 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2143 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2230 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2262 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2253 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2152 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1204 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2207 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2097 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2201 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2359 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2158 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2111 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2353 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2186 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2108 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2330 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2193 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2265 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1070 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1101 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1060 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2065 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2238 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2258 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2150 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2211 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2069 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2202 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2065 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2172 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2231 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2190 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2261 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2113 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2120 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 1890 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1311 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1140 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1200 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1093 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1193 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1125 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1100 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1247 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 973 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1188 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1158 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1026 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1098 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1015 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1172 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1039 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2037 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2133 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2350 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2719 Views
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