Taking the Divine Comedy off the curriculum would be like taking Shakespeare out in the UK.
Tom Send a noteboard - 21/03/2012 10:48:15 PM
Dante isn't just a "medieval classic" and "monument of Italian culture" - it is probably THE ONLY Italian work that is regularly studied worldwide and perhaps one of the greatest works of world literature ever produced in any language. Taking Dante off the curriculum would be like removing Shakespeare in English-speaking countries, or Tolstoy from Russia, or Flaubert from France.
Furthermore, the most interesting thing is that both you and Legolas talk about racism and/or xenophobia, but there really isn't much (IF ANY) of that in The Divine Comedy. There is a strong condemnation of Islam, but there's certainly nothing wrong with a Christian stating a traditional Christian position that non-believers would end up in Hell. Many Christians hold that opinion even today, and it's a valid position to take. It is improper to use that as a basis to attack people or their places of worship, or treat them as second-class citizens, but lots of people are able to treat others decently even if they think they're going to Hell.
With respect to Jews, there is really no anti-Semitism that I can see in the entirety of the Divine Comedy. Three figures are punished - Caiaphas, Annas and Judas, all of which had a personal role in condemning Christ to death. It's really insignificant when we look at the hundreds of Italian figures from politics and social life in Dante's day and the centuries preceding.
With respect to homosexuals, as I have mentioned before, even though they are being punished in accordance with Church teachings, many scholars have noted that there is a strong sympathy on the part of Dante for the homosexuals that comes across in his description of that portion of Hell. Also, once again, many Christians still believe that homosexual acts are a grave sin and that those who engage in them are going to Hell.
Fundamentally, tolerance merely means that we do not persecute others. It doesn't require us to accept as valid all aspects of other peoples' lives. In other words, nothing in the Divine Comedy with respect to any of these groups is out of touch with modern values at least for a significant number of people.
The ultimate problem that I have with this group is not that I share most of the opinions (I think Muslims are wrong and Islam is a false religion, but I do not think they are going to Hell, and I don't think gays are going to Hell either), but because they are using the Divine Comedy to attack anything Christian, and essentially they are attacking a world classic due to its subject matter. As others have pointed out, are we next going to attack the Iliad for its portrayal of pagan gods or its violence?
Furthermore, the most interesting thing is that both you and Legolas talk about racism and/or xenophobia, but there really isn't much (IF ANY) of that in The Divine Comedy. There is a strong condemnation of Islam, but there's certainly nothing wrong with a Christian stating a traditional Christian position that non-believers would end up in Hell. Many Christians hold that opinion even today, and it's a valid position to take. It is improper to use that as a basis to attack people or their places of worship, or treat them as second-class citizens, but lots of people are able to treat others decently even if they think they're going to Hell.
With respect to Jews, there is really no anti-Semitism that I can see in the entirety of the Divine Comedy. Three figures are punished - Caiaphas, Annas and Judas, all of which had a personal role in condemning Christ to death. It's really insignificant when we look at the hundreds of Italian figures from politics and social life in Dante's day and the centuries preceding.
With respect to homosexuals, as I have mentioned before, even though they are being punished in accordance with Church teachings, many scholars have noted that there is a strong sympathy on the part of Dante for the homosexuals that comes across in his description of that portion of Hell. Also, once again, many Christians still believe that homosexual acts are a grave sin and that those who engage in them are going to Hell.
Fundamentally, tolerance merely means that we do not persecute others. It doesn't require us to accept as valid all aspects of other peoples' lives. In other words, nothing in the Divine Comedy with respect to any of these groups is out of touch with modern values at least for a significant number of people.
The ultimate problem that I have with this group is not that I share most of the opinions (I think Muslims are wrong and Islam is a false religion, but I do not think they are going to Hell, and I don't think gays are going to Hell either), but because they are using the Divine Comedy to attack anything Christian, and essentially they are attacking a world classic due to its subject matter. As others have pointed out, are we next going to attack the Iliad for its portrayal of pagan gods or its violence?
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Divine Comedy is "offensive and discriminatory", says Italian NGO
20/03/2012 07:25:08 PM
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Duh?
20/03/2012 07:38:41 PM
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It does kind of feel like we should know more about how it's taught in Italian schools.
20/03/2012 07:50:36 PM
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Isn't the fundamental basis of Christanity mutually exclusive to Judaism and Islam?
20/03/2012 08:33:51 PM
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That's a really good point that I hadn't considered. I agree. *NM*
22/03/2012 09:05:00 AM
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Just because someone is in Hell doesn't mean you should discriminate against them
20/03/2012 08:23:22 PM
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Not having read any Dante is kind of hurting my ability to reply to that.
20/03/2012 10:08:52 PM
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Odd, considering you linked the "offending passages"
20/03/2012 11:54:34 PM
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Yes, well, I was semi-serious with the "pretending to understand Italian".
21/03/2012 07:58:35 PM
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I rather agree with you
21/03/2012 10:09:01 PM
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Taking the Divine Comedy off the curriculum would be like taking Shakespeare out in the UK.
21/03/2012 10:48:15 PM
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But some works of Flaubert aren't considered OK for compulsory reads...
22/03/2012 05:27:04 AM
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The last part of Hell is Giudecca because of Judas.
21/03/2012 10:30:36 PM
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And you don't see what's offensive about that?
21/03/2012 11:11:16 PM
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You are making an assumption that Dante named it after Jewish quarters.
21/03/2012 11:24:47 PM
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Wait, let's be clear just how bat-shit Rick Santorum crazy these assholes are.
21/03/2012 01:06:49 AM
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They also dont seem to realize just how many Muslim nations are calling for the eradication of Israe *NM*
21/03/2012 04:33:53 PM
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There's some things in that paragraph one can roll one's eyes at, aye - but that's as far as it goes
21/03/2012 08:06:32 PM
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Are you serious?! Did you read the whole paragraph?
21/03/2012 10:24:56 PM
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I certainly did. Though as it turns out I had not read their other articles...
21/03/2012 10:59:51 PM
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I saw that. Seems a little misguided
21/03/2012 07:04:06 AM
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That's what they're advocating. And I wouldn't know - they seem to think it is. *NM*
21/03/2012 08:08:53 PM
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I think that sometimes people take "politicly correct" tooooo far... *NM*
21/03/2012 08:20:31 AM
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Let me sum up my opinion on this as succinctly and clearly as I can:
21/03/2012 11:50:37 PM
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