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I don't mind if you tell me I'm out of line here, but nossy Send a noteboard - 31/01/2012 11:55:04 PM
As for Tolkien, are his views any different than how many of us (or our family/friends) are when it comes to someone of a different ethnic/social background? That's the real issue, I suspect and I would answer "Not really." I have my own race/class-based prejudices to work on, so why is there such defensiveness when it comes to the fact that an author made some comments and wrote some characters that current readers may find to be objectionable? Best to work on removing those specks from our eyes, I think.

I really have only one question. If we're saying that we can see how some would find it racist/sexist (even having an interesting conversation on the various degrees of personal agreement or disagreement), and one of us is even devil's advocating for just that side, which specks would those be, precisely?

I suppose maybe I'm not allowed to comment on it, since I can be properly racist while she cannot.

(I'm not trying to be snarky, but I don't think you understand just how far this person has gotten under my skin. It's not about Tolkien, though I obviously have opinions there as well. It's about how racism does exist and how people OF ALL COLORS are working to change that. If anybody can work to help and try to illuminate the masses, we should all be able to be part of the conversation. I feel very strongly that the kind of crap that writer was spouting damages exactly what she might say she's trying to foster. As it is, I get the really strong vibe that she's fostering nothing but her own opinion of herself.)

edit for clarification again: I'm talking primarily about her twitter conversation, not only her blog entry about Tolkien.
This message last edited by nossy on 01/02/2012 at 12:24:52 AM
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The racist elements in Tolkien's writing - 29/01/2012 01:31:02 PM 2538 Views
She has some points, of course. - 29/01/2012 02:25:32 PM 1344 Views
Quite a few points - 29/01/2012 02:40:45 PM 1438 Views
Re: Quite a few points - 29/01/2012 04:59:11 PM 1168 Views
Mostly agreed with the article, but thought she undermined herself with her own racism. - 29/01/2012 02:50:11 PM 1407 Views
I wish I could agree with you, but I can't in full - 29/01/2012 02:58:05 PM 1414 Views
I'm not bothered by the tone. Annoyance is justified. - 29/01/2012 03:03:07 PM 1346 Views
Re: I wish I could agree with you, but I can't in full - 30/01/2012 02:11:07 PM 1350 Views
Do you really believe that? - 30/01/2012 02:44:19 PM 1388 Views
Just read your Twitter convo... nice try, but looks like wasted effort. *NM* - 29/01/2012 10:37:08 PM 602 Views
Yes. - 29/01/2012 10:41:15 PM 1082 Views
Oh, also: - 29/01/2012 03:07:03 PM 1152 Views
Well, I'll be honest. - 29/01/2012 10:34:46 PM 1279 Views
Let me try to summarize some of her points with the invective filtered out, then. - 29/01/2012 10:48:24 PM 1478 Views
Thank you. - 29/01/2012 11:10:13 PM 1511 Views
What the hell, might as well go and play devil's advocate, right? - 30/01/2012 04:50:30 PM 1415 Views
I expected that. - 30/01/2012 05:39:59 PM 1313 Views
Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 30/01/2012 10:28:10 PM 1300 Views
Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 31/01/2012 12:39:46 AM 1194 Views
Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 31/01/2012 08:38:46 PM 1253 Views
I <3 you, but there are several very key things we are not going to agree on. - 31/01/2012 10:02:22 PM 1657 Views
Oh. - 31/01/2012 11:07:52 PM 1313 Views
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Hmm? - 31/01/2012 10:10:22 PM 1246 Views
Yeah. I got to reading Encyclopedia of Arda just now, and it told me the same thing. - 31/01/2012 10:35:54 PM 1155 Views
As a sort of group answer (I've been mostly absent from forums the past two days) - 31/01/2012 10:45:55 PM 1501 Views
I don't mind if you tell me I'm out of line here, but - 31/01/2012 11:55:04 PM 1339 Views
I'm rarely ever offended - 01/02/2012 01:54:58 AM 1534 Views
She was referring specifically to the Twitter "conversation" I had with the blogger. - 01/02/2012 09:05:28 AM 1319 Views
Yes. - 01/02/2012 10:47:22 AM 1450 Views
It makes me wonder what she thinks is happening in Zimbabwe, for example. - 01/02/2012 11:13:11 AM 1475 Views
I've been thinking about that. - 01/02/2012 11:29:18 AM 1270 Views
Re: I've been thinking about that. - 01/02/2012 11:40:11 AM 1536 Views
We're nuts. - 01/02/2012 03:09:15 PM 1273 Views
I know that - 01/02/2012 11:15:48 AM 1337 Views
That blog post was mostly good, but the exception is a rather large one. - 01/02/2012 08:35:57 PM 1185 Views
Do you mean exception*S*? - 02/02/2012 04:27:03 AM 1256 Views
The Hobbit came out in 1937. - 30/01/2012 01:35:45 AM 1232 Views
She hates Tolkien's writings to begin with ... - 30/01/2012 06:34:29 AM 1373 Views
The tone of the article is massively annoying - 30/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 1431 Views
I laughed while reading it - 30/01/2012 04:30:50 PM 1278 Views

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