Jordan might be the only modern fantasy writer I would say can be properly compared to Tolkien. They're different, but the Wheel of Time is the only modern fantasy series I know that approaches its world and its themes in a similar manner. (I freely admit that there could be better examples I simply haven't read.)
I don't really agree with this. Jordan didn't approach his world in a way even similar to Tolkien. Tolkien's world building was essentially poetic, an deeply rooted in poetic motifs and notions, from the power of words to the beauty of nature. It's grounded in notions of a golden age. Tolkien also closely imitated the mechanisms of myth in his world building.
Jordan's world building is purely cartesian, and belongs far more with (and was inspired far more by) the approach of SF writers than Tolkien's. There's nothing of the romanticism and poetry of Tolkien in his approach (that others than Jordan have tried to imitate). Jordan sought to create logical patterns, his world is built with the use of logical grids... the presence of A and B should logically make C emerge in this culture, and so on). His cosmology and his magic system are rooted in scientific and para-scientific notions - not all of them from pure and applied sciences, he went also to psychology theories, historical theories, philosophical theories and so on (even for his taoist elements he went to theories like the ones exposed in The Tao of Physics, connecting ancient beliefs to modern physics). Where Tolkien went to poetic notions like having a world becoming real from the voices of angelic beings, Jordan was turning to quantum physics than reverse engineered his features so they would have the appearance and "mood" of Fantasy (one small example is his Portal Stones, something inspired by Quantum theories and turned into something no longer understood that was turned into magical artefacts totally natural in a fantasy world)
Jordan's references to myth are essentially a sugarcoating. He's not adopted their mechanisms the way Tolkien did, and has rarely followed the "logic" of myths. He's pushing into the Fantasy realms notions such as Eliade's about cyclical time, and as logic thus dictated, he found ways to turn elements that one day will become myth in our reality into tangible truths in his contemporary story, from villains whose name will eventually be twisted in those of demons in reality's myth to bio-engineered black monstrous dogs that one day will appear in folktales, and mythical swords that are actually high tech devices that work along scientific principles and so on, and he similarly reverse engineered myths and other references. There are no myth in WOT. Myths are shown as historical truths that degraded into legends that turned into myth. Not everything is explained, but Jordan makes clear that everything could be rationally explained.
Tolkien aside from the evolution of languages, didn't use any science as his inspiration, but the poetic tradition. Jordan's world is one of speculative fiction, in the vein of science-fiction but used in a Fantasy context. He didn't seek to imitate Tolkien in creating a mythology, he sought to give the Fantasy genre a world in the tradition of SF writers like Frank Herbert, Isaac Asimov, Pierre Boulé and so on.
Aside from the manichean central core of WOT, Jordan didn't share many themes with Tolkien (his nods to Tolkien's core themes came mostly from the Ogier), nor did he used them in a similar way. Tolkien was again mostly intuitive and poetic in his use of themes. Jordan's themes are, for the most part, developped by introducing motifs in a nearly mathematical (or musical, which is a bit the same) way. A major motif for one character in WOT systematically will have an important variation for a second character and be a minor theme for a third. There's a mechanical underpining to it all. Jordan's themes are also much more modern and far less focussed (WOT is a huge melting pot of themes). It's a solid departing from Tolkien and his glorification of a lost past and pre-industrialized world.
Jordan isn't so different from the others in the first post-Tolkien generations. WOT was one the early attempts to break away from Tolkien rather than imitate him. Jordan was one of the earliest to attempt it, and didn't go as far as younger writers would start doing a few years after he started his series. Behind WOT, there's still the big manichean epic, Jordan mostly sought to use it in a series that would have a wholly different tone and focus, a kind of historical saga borrowing heavily from the tropes of other popular and genre literature traditions with epic events still at its center, where Tolkien was still writing a traditional epic. Jordan was already an attempt at rejuvenating a genre that had turned in circles after Tolkien (and still remains there with some like Tad Williams, Brooks and so on) by mixing into Epic Fantasy several other genres, from feuilleton à la Dumas to western epics à la Louis L'Amour to social comedy. Heck, there's even simili-murder mysteries in WOT. Others after Jordan, like Martin, have furthered departed from the Heroic Epic, but with essentially the same idea of mixing it with other genres to make it fresh. The next generation pushed that notion further, eventually for some getting rid oompletely of the manichean central epic, which writers like Jordan and Martin haven't fully done, and others like Erikson or Sanderson in Mistborn have skirted around, by letting believe there was a central manichean opposition and revealing along the way there wasn't really one. Jordan and Martin in the 90s were already at the phase "epics are fun, but it's hard to renew it after Tolkien so let's try not to make it the central piece and give a different focus to the series... the stories of a whole world during epic times, and a character and adventure driven story, or a war chronicle that would draw only minimally on mythology as some epic conflict is still brewing in the background instead of just rewriting LOTR with a slightly different setting". After them it's reached a new stage, where many writers thought of inventing new forms for Fantasy that would get rid of the central conflict, or the hero's journey, altogether - and created Fantasies that are also more and more divorced from mythology.
But I think Jordan is hardly the most Tolkien-esque of the modern writers. I would cite Terry Brooks, Tad Williams, to name but two, who are far more "traditional".
Aren't the Tolkien comparisons getting a little...old?
09/12/2011 09:51:39 PM
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The comparison bothers me, but not because Tolkien isn't relevant.
09/12/2011 10:05:22 PM
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I agree with this.
09/12/2011 10:21:34 PM
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Re: I agree with this.
10/12/2011 07:09:33 PM
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Only when shit works are being compared to him
09/12/2011 10:22:26 PM
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Larry,
10/12/2011 01:13:18 AM
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Snide dismissal that will be passed off as for his own entertainment.
10/12/2011 04:55:43 AM
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Well-deserved condescension.
11/12/2011 03:54:27 AM
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You're sure about that?
11/12/2011 04:20:26 AM
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Re: You're sure about that?
11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM
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Re: You're sure about that?
11/12/2011 06:03:02 AM
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i think you shouldn't judge a whole world's school programs on your school
11/12/2011 06:42:30 AM
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If you're arguing that children should be able to read genre fiction, fine.
11/12/2011 08:52:27 PM
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Well, I suppose it depends on the type of genre being read
11/12/2011 09:36:16 PM
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How often do you hear the challenging writers mentioned at this site?
12/12/2011 02:03:05 PM
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Only when you, me, and a couple others write reviews
12/12/2011 04:21:14 PM
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Oh, it was the same as it always is
12/12/2011 05:23:56 PM
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Much of the actual "Classics", that is, Greek and Latin originals, kids would eat up.
12/12/2011 03:13:03 AM
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You're upfront and honest about it; he isn't. The difference matters to me. *NM*
11/12/2011 05:18:42 AM
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this is a bit off topic, but out of curiousity...
11/12/2011 06:28:35 AM
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I've discussed this dozens of times at this site. Perhaps you've missed all of the posts.
11/12/2011 08:57:44 PM
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mk I'll go look. I probably did miss it (or at least don't remember it!)
11/12/2011 09:08:02 PM
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I have a successful career that was inspired by the video games I played as a child. *NM*
11/12/2011 05:52:21 PM
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Now let's get all the people who just pissed their lives away with video games and see the %.
11/12/2011 08:58:42 PM
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The majority of players neither waste their lives nor make a career out of it.
11/12/2011 11:29:29 PM
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Yeah, sorry, I don't think you could say that with a straight face in real life. *NM*
12/12/2011 04:13:52 AM
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Then you have a closed mind on the subject. Ironic, considering your stance on edification. *NM*
12/12/2011 05:47:50 AM
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No, just with respect to you. *NM*
12/12/2011 02:00:15 PM
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Tom, you pulled the "Say that to my face!" line. You lost the right to talk about respect. *NM*
12/12/2011 03:20:15 PM
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Once again, I really don't care what you think. *NM*
12/12/2011 03:37:40 PM
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Did I imply that you did? My apologies. I'd hate to insinuate that you'd stoop that low. *NM*
12/12/2011 04:13:25 PM
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As well read as you seem to be, you think you'd be smart enough...
11/12/2011 06:20:06 PM
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I thought I have made it clear that I don't care if people don't like me here.
11/12/2011 08:44:58 PM
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Re: I thought I have made it clear that I don't care if people don't like me here.
12/12/2011 04:04:37 PM
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That statement has just confused me.
12/12/2011 04:06:53 PM
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Re: That statement has just confused me.
12/12/2011 04:14:27 PM
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I never learned Hittite. I had a book on pre-order for a long time but never ended up getting it.
12/12/2011 05:41:03 PM
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What you have made clear, I think, is the fact that you deal in generalizations and stereotypes.
12/12/2011 10:12:12 PM
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There's an unintentional irony in what you say, alas
13/12/2011 12:44:26 AM
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Tom, Dick, or Larry...you may use your true first name, but you're still an anonymous entity to most
13/12/2011 04:49:35 AM
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With such comeback skills, you must have ruled the playgrounds as a kid, no?
13/12/2011 05:21:42 AM
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There are no special snowflakes, are there?
11/12/2011 09:39:21 PM
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There are many way of widening one's horizons and broadening one's mind.
11/12/2011 10:08:24 PM
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What I don't like-
12/12/2011 04:28:55 AM
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Why don't you name something, then?
12/12/2011 04:40:29 AM
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Sure.
13/12/2011 07:30:56 AM
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Mentioning Ender's Game pretty much shot your argument in the foot.
13/12/2011 02:02:59 PM
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You dismiss the entire video game medium because many games lack value.
13/12/2011 03:59:11 PM
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You're like the McDonald's paid advocate trying to say Big Macs are actually healthy.
13/12/2011 05:46:37 PM
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I'll leave it up to others to define as they wish against their self-conceptions of me
10/12/2011 10:52:54 AM
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that's alright. I really have no desire to stroke your twit-ego. *NM*
10/12/2011 04:36:56 PM
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Considering the firestorm I appear to have touched off, that may be best.
12/12/2011 12:57:49 PM
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I know, John
12/12/2011 04:27:04 PM
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Re: I know, John
12/12/2011 05:06:26 PM
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As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100%
12/12/2011 06:33:52 PM
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Re: As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100%
12/12/2011 07:13:37 PM
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Blurbs are not generally very original in their comparisons - would kind of defeat their purpose.
09/12/2011 10:42:17 PM
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Maybe if so much of the genre weren't crap derivative works it wouldn't be so common. *NM*
11/12/2011 03:44:24 AM
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To be fair, a lot of it isn't.
11/12/2011 04:06:07 AM
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I suspect that if it really isn't derivative it's not being compared to Tolkien in the first place.
11/12/2011 04:18:57 AM
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That's true.
11/12/2011 11:08:01 AM
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But see, that's where things start to get referred back to Tolkien.
12/12/2011 04:30:12 AM
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The Tolkien fanaticism gets old. And yes, for me it is unreadable.
11/12/2011 11:37:53 PM
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No, because the movies are very contemporary and relevant, thus he will remain so for quite a while.
12/12/2011 03:14:53 AM
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Disagree all you want, but LotR is still the touchstone when it comes to works of fantasy.
12/12/2011 03:48:20 AM
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