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Most of those comparisons are like that anyway DomA Send a noteboard - 10/12/2011 05:32:45 PM
At least those on cover blurbs, as they are almost strictly marketing gimmicks. It's not a bad habit to get into to stop reading those after the synopsis and ignore all the hyperbolic recommendations and dubious comparisons... occasionally they are useful, but mostly when you get a second opinion from another source that isn't trying to sell you anything...

Then there are most mainstream reviews of the genre releases, where either the critic is clueless or the targeted readers are believed to be fairly clueless and dropping the name of Tolkien is a short-cut to explain "this is a Fantasy novel" (the chances that it turns out to be also a Fantasy epic with a central conflict of good vs. evil are far less good). Why? Because Tolkien/LOTR remains all too often the one Fantasy novel of which there is a certain awareness in the mainstream pop culture since the 70s. Few mainstream reviewers do their job right when it comes to genre, by summarizing the background of the genre or familiarizing their readers with a few of its currents or sub-genres instead of just dropping the name of Tolkien. It's only become worse because of the Jackson movies that have made LOTR massively more "mainstream" than it was before.

Expect the name of G.R.R. Martin to be used far more extensively in the mainstream media in the next years because of the HBO miniseries. Where some would have described as work as a modern Tolkien but "with more adult themes", they'll just drop the name of Martin instead. (Also, Martin is the big Fantasy name who gets the most laughably coined "a Tolkien". In his case, it really shows how blocked and lacking in background some reviewers are when it comes to genre works)

However, I think you've failed to notice that within the Fantasy circles themselves (incl. genre reviewers, and the publishers when they targeted the fans, not the mainstream readers) the name of Tolkien isn't used as widely as before. It was everywhere in the late 80s-early 90s, as post-Tolkien Fantasy was still in its emergence phase. Who in fact but Tolkien could be used as reference for marketing purposes, to define the genre of the work, when it came to writers like Robert Jordan back in 1990 anyway ?(and more precisely "an American Tolkien", to account for the americanity of Jordan's worldbuilding and referents, very apparent even in EOTW. Beside, it was relevant the time, if far less so today. Beyond offering a manichean tale built around a hero's journey like Tolkien Jordan was, and clearly inspired in this endeavour by Tolkien's, attempting to create a whole world to put his story in (and one that developped into something far more detailed if not as brilliant as Tolkien). Tolkien definitely didn't invent the hero's journey (no one did, as far back as we can go in the history of humanity it's been there) and he didn't invent world building either (though before him it had been used mostly either for religious or philosophical purposes, for example in utopian works, or differently in most religious texts from ancient myths to the more recent ones like the christian gospels) but without knowing he was founding a modern literary genre/sub-genre by integrating the two to create a fully fictitious epic, and one meant to be read for entertainment, not for social/political or religious or even educative purposes. What Tolkien invented is the idea of setting an epic on a purely faux-mythology/cosmology, which was quite a bit an accident as he had developped a fictional mythology first as an intellectual hobby, and what he set out to write as a sequel to the Hobbit ended up becoming the Heroic cycle to his unpublished mythological cycle.

It's not before the mid-90s that very different tone of WOT was firmly established and using Tolkien for reference wasn't nearly precise enough. It wasn't very apparent before the fourth or fifth WOT book that Jordan would start diverting from the classic epic à la Tolkien to create rather Fantasy's first pseudo-historical feuilleton, where the epic is just an important element, a kind of core, that would take the center stage once more mostly in the finale. Jordan's "historical events" are fictitious, and drawing from the epic and the manichean opposition core, but most of his series is more comparable to the tone and tropes of the historical feuilleton sub-genre, telling the tales of tons of characters while history develops in the background (a genre of which Alexandre Dumas remains the master). But after reading only his first book, Jordan could be seen quite accurately as a sub-Tolkien. Later it became apparent that Jordan had not intention to merely mimick Tolkien and write another LOTR (as several authors have tried to do) and but to write a series with a wholly different tone, style and focus, drawing on core elements that first appeared, in modern literature anyway, in LOTR. Martin later did the same. Erikson did the same. JK Rowling did the same, all in their different ways. Martin didn't borrow from feuilleton and adventure novels like Jordan, he focussed his series on a medieval-style war, with an epic core à la Tolkien that (like Jordan) will eventually provide him with a finale.

Nowadays, there's been enough big publishing successes and big fan successes, and the Fantasy genre has diversified enough that publishers can leave Tolkien mostly as a reference in the mainstream media, and use instead other, more precise comparisons (if all too often as misleading, shallow or reductive as before). Erikson was coined "a modern Tolkien" not because his work has much to do with LOTR (though he's probably the one who could be the most honestly considered an heir to Tolkien) but because like Tolkien he has a relevant scholarly background (not ancient languages, but anthropology), and was similarly inspired by the form, not only the content, of the ancient texts. And that was one factor that made me curious to read his work, as I told myself "hmmm... the worldbuilding in this series is bound to be solid and interesting if this guy can also write". Martin is all too often brought in when a publisher want to sell to the Fantasy fans it's dark, gritty and has sex, or when a series centers on a political plot, or even to suggest it's "more mature" than Tolkien and the others have been (which unsurprisngly is meant to sell the books mostly to young adult males, far more worried that a series isn't "too immature" for them than actual adult readers are). I've seen the name of Jordan used for marketing a lot too, the minute a writer tells the story of tons of characters in parallel, or plans for a very long series. Tor is already using Sanderson's "filiation" to Jordan to present his Stormlight Archives as "a huge saga in the vein of the Wheel of Time" (and fashionably throw in a "and ASOIAF", perhaps to convince readers who find Sanderson too squeaky-clean to give it a try) - which in this case is probably relevant. Anderson's Seven Suns series was also sold as "a saga in the vein of Jordan's WOT" which in that case was strictly a misleading marketing gimmick.

When Tolkien is thrown in nowadays, it's mostly when publishers are trying to sell a series to an audience beyond the genre fans, which is the case with Martin, coined "the American Tolkien" for the masses's sake. Regular fantasy readers know what that comment is worth to accurately describe ASOIAF.

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Aren't the Tolkien comparisons getting a little...old? - 09/12/2011 09:51:39 PM 2848 Views
The comparison bothers me, but not because Tolkien isn't relevant. - 09/12/2011 10:05:22 PM 1716 Views
I agree with this. - 09/12/2011 10:21:34 PM 1745 Views
Re: I agree with this. - 10/12/2011 07:09:33 PM 1680 Views
Exactly *NM* - 12/12/2011 12:09:19 PM 855 Views
Only when shit works are being compared to him - 09/12/2011 10:22:26 PM 1607 Views
Larry, - 10/12/2011 01:13:18 AM 1624 Views
Snide dismissal that will be passed off as for his own entertainment. - 10/12/2011 04:55:43 AM 1537 Views
We get a lot of that around here. *NM* - 10/12/2011 05:18:01 AM 639 Views
makes me wonder... - 10/12/2011 04:37:33 PM 1523 Views
Re: makes me wonder... - 11/12/2011 03:03:15 AM 1488 Views
Well-deserved condescension. - 11/12/2011 03:54:27 AM 1655 Views
You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 04:20:26 AM 1882 Views
Re: You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM 1608 Views
Re: You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 06:03:02 AM 1473 Views
i think you shouldn't judge a whole world's school programs on your school - 11/12/2011 06:42:30 AM 1526 Views
Yeah, I'm limited in my knowledge, lol - 11/12/2011 08:03:26 AM 1537 Views
My school was...not great. - 11/12/2011 04:02:36 PM 1562 Views
I'm 24. - 11/12/2011 03:49:06 PM 1480 Views
If you're arguing that children should be able to read genre fiction, fine. - 11/12/2011 08:52:27 PM 1404 Views
Well, I suppose it depends on the type of genre being read - 11/12/2011 09:36:16 PM 1640 Views
How often do you hear the challenging writers mentioned at this site? - 12/12/2011 02:03:05 PM 1376 Views
Only when you, me, and a couple others write reviews - 12/12/2011 04:21:14 PM 1780 Views
Oh, it was the same as it always is - 12/12/2011 05:23:56 PM 1490 Views
True - 12/12/2011 06:29:10 PM 1576 Views
One note - 13/12/2011 12:17:48 AM 1582 Views
Perhaps - 13/12/2011 12:49:34 AM 1516 Views
*Sighs* Such is the plight of those shining few intelects... - 23/12/2011 01:15:47 AM 1564 Views
Much of the actual "Classics", that is, Greek and Latin originals, kids would eat up. - 12/12/2011 03:13:03 AM 1390 Views
Try teaching Apuleius in schools... *NM* - 12/12/2011 04:12:49 AM 759 Views
Plato is exciting, brutal and scandalous? - 12/12/2011 09:59:13 PM 1455 Views
You're upfront and honest about it; he isn't. The difference matters to me. *NM* - 11/12/2011 05:18:42 AM 808 Views
Uhh...uh... - 11/12/2011 05:34:23 AM 1489 Views
this is a bit off topic, but out of curiousity... - 11/12/2011 06:28:35 AM 1599 Views
There are no special snowflakes, are there? - 11/12/2011 09:39:21 PM 1403 Views
There are many way of widening one's horizons and broadening one's mind. - 11/12/2011 10:08:24 PM 1164 Views
I said as much in my comment - 11/12/2011 10:20:03 PM 1435 Views
What I don't like- - 12/12/2011 04:28:55 AM 1519 Views
Why don't you name something, then? - 12/12/2011 04:40:29 AM 1468 Views
Sure. - 13/12/2011 07:30:56 AM 1298 Views
Mentioning Ender's Game pretty much shot your argument in the foot. - 13/12/2011 02:02:59 PM 1411 Views
You dismiss the entire video game medium because many games lack value. - 13/12/2011 03:59:11 PM 1557 Views
You're like the McDonald's paid advocate trying to say Big Macs are actually healthy. - 13/12/2011 05:46:37 PM 1363 Views
McDonalds food is inherently unhealthy. - 13/12/2011 06:02:18 PM 1501 Views
For the sake of argument ... - 13/12/2011 04:09:51 PM 1405 Views
Stephenson is not literature, that's for damn sure. - 13/12/2011 05:49:24 PM 1355 Views
Thank you, The Voice of Lews Therin. *NM* - 16/12/2011 05:14:42 AM 824 Views
I'll leave it up to others to define as they wish against their self-conceptions of me - 10/12/2011 10:52:54 AM 1519 Views
that's alright. I really have no desire to stroke your twit-ego. *NM* - 10/12/2011 04:36:56 PM 616 Views
Considering the firestorm I appear to have touched off, that may be best. - 12/12/2011 12:57:49 PM 1500 Views
I know, John - 12/12/2011 04:27:04 PM 1393 Views
Re: I know, John - 12/12/2011 05:06:26 PM 1453 Views
As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% - 12/12/2011 06:33:52 PM 1390 Views
Re: As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% - 12/12/2011 07:13:37 PM 1464 Views
Same guy - 12/12/2011 07:26:13 PM 1509 Views
Ha! Excellent point. *NM* - 11/12/2011 03:44:52 AM 743 Views
I have to agree. - 09/12/2011 10:54:06 PM 1509 Views
They're there for marketing - 10/12/2011 12:20:17 AM 1488 Views
Most of those comparisons are like that anyway - 10/12/2011 05:32:45 PM 1623 Views
Maybe if so much of the genre weren't crap derivative works it wouldn't be so common. *NM* - 11/12/2011 03:44:24 AM 739 Views
To be fair, a lot of it isn't. - 11/12/2011 04:06:07 AM 1439 Views
I suspect that if it really isn't derivative it's not being compared to Tolkien in the first place. - 11/12/2011 04:18:57 AM 1374 Views
That's true. - 11/12/2011 11:08:01 AM 1363 Views
Maybe they mean something else by using his name. - 11/12/2011 03:50:15 AM 1446 Views
When they don't work, yes. - 11/12/2011 03:18:44 PM 1449 Views
The Tolkien fanaticism gets old. And yes, for me it is unreadable. - 11/12/2011 11:37:53 PM 1436 Views
Yes *NM* - 22/12/2011 07:08:38 PM 860 Views

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