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Uhh... Dark Knight Send a noteboard - 31/07/2011 11:31:29 PM
That if Dumbledore had been packing a 9mm during his duel with Voldy in "Order of the Phoenix" he could have pulled an Indiana Jones and saved the world a lot of trouble by just pulling the pistol out and shooting Voldemort. Voldy never would have seen it coming (what Dark Lord of Magic type character expects to get shot with something as mundane as a firearm? Like he would be prepared to defend against that!


You know Voldemort was still immortal at this point, yes? And that Dumbledore knew this and that's why he didn't seek to kill him?

Or in the last movie (only seen the movies, never touched the books), they could have brought in some of the muggle worlds snipers and SWAT teams to help defend Hogworts. Again, Voldemort and the Death Eaters never woulda seen that coming!


I'm pretty sure a basic shield spell is more than enough for bullets.

The wizards and witches handicapped themselves with their disdain of the muggle world.

So this has been building in me for awhile years actually ever sense noticing the Luddite tendencies in lord of the rings. Why does fantasy have such an anti realist and anti science mindset? Example A Harry Potter. Great for a long while in that the magic had rules and though the rules were outside science it had rules and it allowed there was reality and not reality...than we got the great quote in the final book.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/07/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-review

"Of course this is happening in your head but why on earth should that mean it isn't real?" Um what the heck? Something is either real and happening OUTSIDE your head and exists outside of you, or it is happening inside your head is NOT REAL, and wouldn't exist without you. To put it in terms of the novel. Either Dumbeldore exists now in some sort of heaven in reality or he doesn't. You can't have it both ways. Either God exists outside of human conception in some PHYSICAL form or it is just an idea we have made up and thus ISN'T REAL.

Example 2

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/07/travelling-through-death-dreams-seaward

I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with Susan Coopers works. As a young adult fantasy author I would call her one of the best. Certainly one of the few genre authors to win literary awards. The author of the post seems to have issue with them having to forget what they experienced and having to deal with grief, except for mild nagging in the back of the brain, in the real world. Um, this was done on purpose to show the readers that you DON'T NEED this kind of fantasy crutch to survive grief. The characters in the book, just like the readers, are quite capable of dealing with real life in real life with only a nagging memory of the truths in the book. The same kind of nagging truth READING the book will give the readers. Rather than saying to the readers you need a non-real fantasy mirage to deal with real life it shows that you can deal with real life without one. It teaches it's readers to grow up and live in the real morally grey and not pretty world rather than escaping from it. Something good books and good fantasy should do.

Thoughts?
Formerly Mat Bloody Cauthon on Wotmania, blessed be its name
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anti science mindset in fantasy? dacole - 31/07/2011 07:32:16 PM 1075 Views
I disagree.. fionwe1987 - 31/07/2011 10:34:29 PM 1093 Views
Just wanna say imlad - 31/07/2011 10:52:17 PM 945 Views
Uhh... Dark Knight - 31/07/2011 11:31:29 PM 966 Views
Re: Uhh... imlad - 01/08/2011 02:00:56 AM 1093 Views
Shields stop physical things.. fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 05:16:28 AM 979 Views
if the books mention that specifically, fine then imlad - 02/08/2011 12:14:47 AM 922 Views
Oh I forgot to mention Dark Knight - 02/08/2011 12:34:45 AM 840 Views
well that's cool as hell!! imlad - 02/08/2011 01:27:24 PM 832 Views
Again, read the books... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:15:27 AM 1002 Views
Anti-science imlad - 02/08/2011 01:36:04 PM 1024 Views
That doesn't make it anti-science... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 02:56:58 PM 982 Views
Re: That doesn't make it anti-science... imlad - 02/08/2011 09:56:41 PM 985 Views
Because... fionwe1987 - 03/08/2011 04:21:43 AM 1127 Views
a note on the "Anti-Muggle Technlogy"attitude... LadyLorraine - 03/08/2011 05:44:05 AM 833 Views
I can actually imagine that... fionwe1987 - 03/08/2011 07:41:24 AM 1056 Views
Thanks for proving again that books are better than movies... *NM* fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:17:26 AM 333 Views
LOL, I'll get to the books eventually *NM* imlad - 01/08/2011 01:52:10 AM 376 Views
I should apologize imlad - 02/08/2011 01:39:03 PM 887 Views
Well it sounds to me like you're not thinking about the term "science" correctly. LadyLorraine - 03/08/2011 05:29:42 AM 774 Views
personally, I've always seen SF as a sub genre of Fantasy imlad - 03/08/2011 07:02:02 AM 969 Views
Other way around, actually LadyLorraine - 03/08/2011 05:29:07 PM 889 Views
the librarians Know Nothing imlad - 04/08/2011 01:24:33 AM 1040 Views
Agreed. WoT is anoher example... fionwe1987 - 03/08/2011 07:45:25 AM 1106 Views
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