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Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead Send a noteboard - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM
It is my conviction that, ten years from now, publishers will point to Robert Jordan and to George Martin when they tell authors, "We're not accepting series longer than three or four books unless you have the whole thing finished. These long series have a way of getting bogged down and losing their way. Look at Jordan, look at Martin."


Publishers looking at those authors don't give a toss about bogging down, or losing their way. In fact, if the books are selling like hot cakes, they'd probably be happy for them to just do that, to wring a few more books and more money out of the readers.

When publishers point to Jordan and Martin now, let alone in ten years, they say, "These guys sell 4 million copies of each book they write. Do that and we'll be happy. Though preferably faster than once every five years."
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6564 Views
Okay, first impressions. Basically spoiler-free, I suppose. ironclad - 11/07/2011 11:40:31 PM 2121 Views
I have it! *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/07/2011 05:42:27 AM 1150 Views
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Lord Manderly gets my vote. RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 10:41:19 PM 2222 Views
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That's what I thought too. Jessie - 25/07/2011 01:48:50 AM 2124 Views
Victorian Greyjoy = Hero of the book *NM* Urza - 21/07/2011 06:20:25 AM 1228 Views
Barristan should be renamed as Ser Grandfather, you do not mess with Ser Grandfather *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:32:09 AM 1217 Views
Asshole of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:46:10 PM 2315 Views
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Seconded. He'd probably make my short list of Assholes of the Series to date. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 11:25:04 PM 1097 Views
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Seriously... Urza - 18/07/2011 03:07:47 AM 2080 Views
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Idiot of the book. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 2340 Views
lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 1156 Views
Re: Idiot of the book. Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:42:20 AM 2209 Views
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Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM 2093 Views
She thinks both Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM 2039 Views
So... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:18:24 PM 2065 Views
No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 2070 Views
Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM 1231 Views
One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 1193 Views
Great Ending ClubCaved - 14/07/2011 01:21:53 AM 2330 Views
Really? ironclad - 14/07/2011 09:36:01 AM 2266 Views
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Re: Great Ending samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:05:00 AM 2062 Views
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Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Stephen - 16/07/2011 07:27:43 PM 2070 Views
Re: Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:45:52 AM 2046 Views
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Probably not. Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:19:03 AM 2250 Views
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I think the two are mixed up. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:23:06 PM 2160 Views
Re: I think the two are mixed up. samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:10:29 AM 1997 Views
What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 2141 Views
They didn't. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:24:53 PM 2192 Views
I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 2088 Views
Didn't Jon just announced Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:51:07 AM 2052 Views
Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2469 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Cannoli - 16/07/2011 01:24:23 AM 2379 Views
Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 2192 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Jessie - 23/07/2011 04:14:38 PM 2028 Views
Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 1952 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 2174 Views
Agreed ironclad - 14/07/2011 06:18:15 PM 2196 Views
There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 1999 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 2040 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 2076 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 1136 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 2246 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 2187 Views
Re: Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Zaphod - 17/07/2011 01:02:10 AM 2129 Views
Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 2190 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 2179 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 2032 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 2264 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 2035 Views
Sadly, I am likely overestimating the intelligence of the readers. Tom - 18/07/2011 03:05:12 AM 2269 Views
I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 2096 Views
I bought that book but have yet to read it. Tom - 18/07/2011 01:09:15 PM 2022 Views
Re: I bought that book but have yet to read it. Zach - 20/07/2011 06:45:46 AM 2057 Views
You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 2168 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:35:47 PM 2157 Views
And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:39:15 PM 2046 Views
Re: And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:17:41 AM 2235 Views
Yeah, I agree. Stephen - 18/07/2011 05:59:58 PM 2088 Views
The book really shows it is AFFC part 2 Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:00:07 AM 2093 Views
No doubt, much like readers would've been more forgiving of aFfC if it'd been two years after SoS. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:28:43 PM 2102 Views
Am I The Only One In Love With Arya's Chapters? *spoilers maybe* samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:22:00 AM 2090 Views
I enjoyed them, very solid chapters. Libby - 18/07/2011 12:50:43 PM 2120 Views
Unlike others, I won't start a separate thread to express my thoughts Larry - 19/07/2011 11:21:17 AM 2228 Views
Yeah, I wished there was a way to move them in here! ironclad - 19/07/2011 01:42:51 PM 1994 Views
Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 2007 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 1125 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 2140 Views
It might be that I expected even more of a longeur than what happened Larry - 20/07/2011 05:24:50 PM 2107 Views
Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 2312 Views
I find myself both depressed and let down... Zach - 20/07/2011 06:37:16 AM 2458 Views
Am I the only one who really likes... ironclad - 20/07/2011 06:04:00 PM 2245 Views
yeh, he is nice... *NM* aragornital - 20/07/2011 06:20:13 PM 1114 Views
Davos is probably my favourite Stephen - 20/07/2011 09:51:03 PM 1895 Views
I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Variant - 21/07/2011 01:15:33 AM 2211 Views
Re: I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Timthetrolloc - 21/07/2011 09:33:00 AM 2051 Views
The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 2100 Views
Yes, I was confused by that too. Legolas - 20/07/2011 10:53:35 PM 2046 Views
Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 2082 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 2029 Views
Have Quentyn's two mates already been sent off a this point? ironclad - 21/07/2011 02:03:15 PM 2103 Views
That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 1024 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 2115 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 1086 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 2043 Views
It's entirely possible Stannis was killed Tom - 21/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 2115 Views
I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 2096 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 2151 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 2023 Views
The letter sounded like the ravings of a psychopath loosing control DomA - 27/07/2011 02:56:21 AM 2195 Views
The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 2121 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 2214 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 2039 Views
Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? Tom - 22/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2092 Views
None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 1999 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 1118 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 2041 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 1904 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 2008 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 2061 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 1950 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 2119 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 1999 Views
Sure it can. Glaring: conspicuous or obvious. Tom - 23/07/2011 03:52:57 PM 2000 Views
Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 2015 Views
Of course it does Tom - 23/07/2011 02:26:50 AM 1987 Views
On second thought, let's address the issue directly. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:14:59 AM 2107 Views
Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 2018 Views
Its simple... Urza - 24/07/2011 07:37:11 PM 2040 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:10:04 AM 2084 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 1964 Views
Re: Bullshit. fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:27:09 AM 1888 Views
The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 1916 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 2058 Views
Westeros is the biggest coherent civilisation in the ASoIaF world. Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:56:21 AM 2058 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 2012 Views
It's not an objective morality. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:41:33 AM 1983 Views
Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 2052 Views
I don't disagree with most of what you said. I just reach a different conclusion. Tom - 25/07/2011 01:57:31 PM 1967 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 1991 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 1850 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 1919 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 2040 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 2001 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 2082 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 1161 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 1881 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1223 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 2177 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 2138 Views
Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:46:54 PM 2090 Views
Re: Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:43:43 AM 2053 Views
Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 2124 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything DomA - 27/07/2011 04:38:19 AM 1976 Views
The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 2127 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 1902 Views
Re: DomA - 27/07/2011 04:27:18 AM 2108 Views
I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 2144 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 2108 Views
Re: Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Roland00 - 27/07/2011 02:00:42 AM 1988 Views
Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 2120 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2329 Views
Wait...a woman crowned for beauty was the victorious mystery knight? Tom - 01/08/2011 03:00:49 AM 1999 Views
It is believed the Knight of the Laughing Tree is one of two people Roland00 - 01/08/2011 04:47:21 AM 2068 Views
Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 1949 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 2031 Views
And yet, my huge brain figures it out Elaine - 04/08/2011 04:20:06 PM 2022 Views
I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 2036 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 1896 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 1106 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 1927 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 2331 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 2116 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 2052 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 2040 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:49:52 AM 2251 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? DomA - 27/07/2011 03:49:18 AM 2165 Views
Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 2239 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 1979 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 1969 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2570 Views
Hmm ironclad - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM 2459 Views
you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 2038 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 1902 Views
But Shireen is a dragon... fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:22:16 AM 2048 Views
I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 2023 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2302 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 2164 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 2124 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 2192 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 2104 Views
Am I the only one who thinks... The Doctor - 09/08/2011 05:16:46 PM 2153 Views
I think Martin's gonna stick to Bran being the only one who does that ironclad - 10/08/2011 09:25:12 AM 2218 Views
It's possible, the problem is Jon's warging skill isn't all that well developed. Libby - 10/08/2011 10:53:32 PM 2003 Views
Anyone have any thoughts as to the purpose of Arya's storyline? Chas - 14/08/2011 06:28:09 PM 2054 Views
She's being trained as an assassin, so the question is who is she going to kill? Werthead - 16/08/2011 01:43:12 AM 1971 Views
Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 2030 Views
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