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Re: A Dance With Dragons MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 24/03/2011 03:08:27 PM
wasnt this book supposed to come out years ago? yes, im familiar with the fact that it had to be redone due to structural issues, but since that info came out it seems like almost two years passed. im sorry but thats ridiculous...you are a professional author. theres no way youre pulling 4-6 hour days at a 2k word/day rate and not managing a full book per year, year and a half tops.

Seems to me that while Martin is faithful to his characters and his process, hes not particularly hard working, and thereby not faithful to his fans. theres a difference between being meticulous and being hardworking. i think martin is the former, but definitely not the latter. theres just no excuse. makes me lose interest in the series.

I think people must be in a pretty pathetic place in their lives to get riled up over how long it takes to read about a fictional world. I mean, really. Its not real. Its fake. If thats what upsets someone, they should seek help. Fast. Your life must suck. Chill out, relax, read it when it arrives.


It's not the wait that bothers people. Plenty of people wait much longer for much more desirable things. It's the fact that we've been dicked around for, depending on who you ask, as much as 11 years. Promised the book by the end of the year, only to find out that it's going to be another year after that.

It's disrespectful to fans, who are the basis of an author's livelihood.

All that said, a large number of people will go out and read adwd ANYWAY, bc Martin is just that good of a storyteller(although I'd bet good money that significantly fewer people will buy it in comparison to a few years ago). But that does not change the fact that he is a lazy ass who is treating his fans like crap, which is all this post is about, since a lot of people seem to be sympathetic with martin on account of his organizational problems.

Contrast Martin with a guy like Sanderson. Granted Sanderson is a younger, hungrier writer looking to establish himself in the ssf world, but he worked his ass off to give both his fans and wot fans a book in one year. He did this partly so his own work wouldnt be forgotten and partly because he's just a decent guy who does his best to give back to the people who essentially write his paycheck.
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A Dance With Dragons - 22/03/2011 11:43:01 PM 2562 Views
See, I disagree. - 23/03/2011 01:05:59 AM 1684 Views
Also, I think we all know GRRM has more interest than just writing - 23/03/2011 05:06:34 AM 1568 Views
I would agree with you, but... - 24/03/2011 06:59:14 AM 1483 Views
If that is true... - 24/03/2011 09:57:13 AM 1407 Views
... - 23/03/2011 01:17:57 AM 1558 Views
Yeah but, come on, 6 years? And 5 years for the book before that? *NM* - 23/03/2011 05:05:01 AM 714 Views
Yes that is longer than most... - 23/03/2011 08:31:57 PM 1457 Views
Many, many.. - 24/03/2011 09:58:28 AM 1619 Views
The way I see it ... - 23/03/2011 03:59:35 AM 1567 Views
If people are upset with him, don't buy the book. - 23/03/2011 07:52:02 AM 1447 Views
Re: If people are upset with him, don't buy the book. - 23/03/2011 01:22:09 PM 1364 Views
Do you guys literally have nothing else to read? - 24/03/2011 06:40:51 AM 1322 Views
do you realize how little time is spent on whining and bitching? - 24/03/2011 10:06:16 AM 1356 Views
Well, you're spending time on it right now. *NM* - 25/03/2011 03:35:10 AM 715 Views
Some is not necessarily a lot. Open a logic textbook. *NM* - 25/03/2011 12:18:38 PM 756 Views
Re: Do you guys literally have nothing else to read? - 24/03/2011 03:58:11 PM 1446 Views
Personally, I completely forgot about the series... - 25/03/2011 03:46:58 AM 1362 Views
Re: Personally, I completely forgot about the series... - 25/03/2011 12:22:07 PM 1401 Views
No, that's not his attitude. - 24/03/2011 11:53:55 PM 1358 Views
The reason some authors say such things is.. - 28/03/2011 09:33:01 AM 1428 Views
yeah - 24/03/2011 10:02:38 AM 1418 Views
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accidental double click >< *NM* - 24/03/2011 10:02:39 AM 755 Views
*complain* - 23/03/2011 10:19:33 PM 1480 Views
*sigh* - 24/03/2011 10:11:29 AM 1819 Views
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Well - 24/03/2011 02:44:00 PM 1432 Views
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apparently you cant read... - 25/03/2011 12:37:51 AM 1479 Views
Seriously? You don't know how Jordan's illness manifested itself? - 25/03/2011 02:19:23 AM 1509 Views
I'm glad you mentioned LotR - 25/03/2011 03:21:46 AM 1397 Views
Can we please stop making baseless comparisons to Lord of the Rings? Thanks. - 25/03/2011 06:22:50 AM 1408 Views
And can we try to strive for accuracy in what we are saying? Thanks. - 25/03/2011 08:24:51 AM 1441 Views
He still went to work, bucko. - 25/03/2011 06:57:26 PM 1283 Views
Question - 25/03/2011 09:00:08 PM 1402 Views
You, uh, just started arguing my position. - 26/03/2011 10:55:19 AM 1257 Views
Are you seriously that naive? - 25/03/2011 01:07:39 PM 1562 Views
Re: Are you seriously that naive? - 25/03/2011 10:59:27 PM 1329 Views
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Re: *complain* - 24/03/2011 04:01:39 PM 1343 Views
I think you're right, and I also think it doesn't matter - 24/03/2011 12:37:35 AM 1302 Views
i agree, however... - 24/03/2011 10:12:52 AM 1389 Views
I agree with some of that. - 24/03/2011 01:12:10 AM 1432 Views
I don't care at all after so long a wait, but I do love watching the fanboys scramble to defend him. *NM* - 24/03/2011 01:20:15 AM 790 Views
^^^ This ^^^ *NM* - 26/03/2011 11:32:40 AM 781 Views
He's lazy and selfish and has every right to be *NM* - 24/03/2011 02:18:14 AM 762 Views
Your complaints would find more resonance if he hadn't announced a publication date yet. - 24/03/2011 01:55:01 PM 1244 Views
I think you bring up a good point - 24/03/2011 03:35:34 PM 1368 Views
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Re: A Dance With Dragons - 24/03/2011 03:08:27 PM 1366 Views
But Sanderson's book was a mess. *NM* - 24/03/2011 09:35:56 PM 698 Views
Was it really? Which one was this? *NM* - 25/03/2011 03:40:58 AM 775 Views
ToM. Still was better than what Jordan was writing, though. - 25/03/2011 06:21:49 AM 1168 Views
Interesting. - 27/03/2011 11:32:39 PM 1400 Views
I enjoyed them too! They were just a mess structurally. - 29/03/2011 01:54:57 AM 1378 Views
In some places, yeah. - 29/03/2011 04:17:38 AM 1858 Views
I thought it was pretty damn good, personally. *NM* - 25/03/2011 05:13:25 AM 815 Views
I enjoyed it a lot more than I enjoyed any of Jordan's recent books. - 25/03/2011 06:20:47 AM 1440 Views
I enjoyed it immensely as well, but im still torn - 25/03/2011 03:07:59 PM 1379 Views
I'm torn too. - 27/03/2011 11:34:35 PM 1554 Views
Re: A Dance With Dragons - 25/03/2011 05:19:01 AM 1485 Views
This thread is becoming vaguely ridiculous. - 25/03/2011 01:31:40 PM 1463 Views
These threads are always ridiculous. I'm both astounded & not at all surprised that there's another - 25/03/2011 06:39:34 PM 1339 Views
EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE! - 25/03/2011 08:28:10 PM 1307 Views
I love threads like these. *NM* - 26/03/2011 10:53:38 AM 582 Views
Are you familiar with Minecraft? - 25/03/2011 07:05:56 PM 1354 Views
Whoops. - 26/03/2011 09:25:28 PM 1314 Views
What is this I don't even. - 27/03/2011 08:03:59 AM 1190 Views
Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you - 25/03/2011 03:46:00 PM 1354 Views
Re: Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you - 25/03/2011 04:31:31 PM 1544 Views
Re: Your math up above - 25/03/2011 04:45:23 PM 1357 Views
If you redo it ... - 25/03/2011 04:57:29 PM 1366 Views
Re: Your math up above - 26/03/2011 02:43:03 PM 1521 Views
That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down. - 26/03/2011 04:22:24 PM 1287 Views
I used a smiley and everything! - 26/03/2011 04:52:48 PM 1499 Views
That's a great line. - 26/03/2011 07:01:42 PM 1274 Views
Re: That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down. - 26/03/2011 05:09:19 PM 1469 Views
When you see people like Nate, Tash, or Rebekah, you don't have to worry. - 26/03/2011 06:59:01 PM 1311 Views
I see that I need to work on my reputation. - 28/03/2011 05:49:30 PM 1389 Views
Perhaps it is the same as one does not speak ill of fairies or elves. - 28/03/2011 11:22:17 PM 1354 Views
YEAH YOU'RE A TERRIBLE ADMIN - 29/03/2011 01:58:41 AM 1309 Views
A very wise man once informed people that George R. R. Martin is not their bitch. - 26/03/2011 09:26:15 PM 1388 Views
How very true. *NM* - 26/03/2011 10:19:59 PM 706 Views

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