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I'm glad we agree on so much. Legolas Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 06:50:27 PM
And the sentence does not end there...

No, but I just wanted to get to the Muse part to show his emulation of Homer and Virgil. The benefit of his scarce use of punctuation, though, is that sometimes it creates a neat effect where a given phrase can be read as belonging either to the preceding bit, or the following one, resulting in a double meaning. The downside, of course, is that at times you go "hang on, I think I missed a verb five verses back... this grammar isn't making any sense to me". Or at least I did.
Yes. Mostly. I may bear an inordinate grudge because of the scenes in Heaven. I do the same to Dante, except there the parts are more clearly separate, and so I think of Inferno-Dante and Paraise-Dante as distinct. With Milton I have not been able to make that distinction.

I still need to read Dante.
Yes. I think Milton is like some sort of very heavy dessert: I like him in chunks, especially the very tasty ones; but after a while I grow a little nauseous.

Understandable. I did read him from start to finish, but my reading pace was a good bit slower than it might have been, and I suppose if you read in chunks you have a keener appreciation for the brilliant bits, than when you read hundreds and hundreds of verses at a time.
I had fun with that as well. I am not sure whether it is down to Milton being very aware of his language (and very aware of classical heritage) or just that language has had time to shift further away. I mean, whether it was archaic at the time. I suspect a mix.

I agree, must be a mix.
Agreed. My favourite scene of the Iliad is Hector and Andromache's meeting.

Yeah. No such thing in Paradise Lost; the closest thing Satan gets to romance is his incestuous fling with his repulsive daughter. :P
I could not agree more. I loved the image of heaven in the first book. The glimpses, the regret, the allusions to something wonderful and lost. It fascinated me. If he had kept it at that level, it would have been tantalising and great. And quite possibly he would have been killed for writing a much too subtle book. Still. I cannot abide the light and loveliness. I may just be an evil and depraved soul unable to appreciate the glory of God, of course.

I suppose Philip Pullman went and wrote the book that might have become, albeit in prose. ;)

And I don't know, light and loveliness doesn't have to be boring and preachy - it rarely is in Tolkien, for instance - so Blake really might be on to something when he calls Milton "fettered" in those bits.
Agreed. Although I think I still prefer the beginning.

The beginning is certainly more epic, but then, in almost any epic, it's the quiet, intimate scenes inbetween (such as the one with Hector and Andromache that you mentioned, or a number of scenes from LotR that I could list) that really make the work great, or not.
Great minds think alike :P

Yes. :P I have now realized I really need to read Blake. Any suggestions on where to start?
They hand in hand with wandering steps and slow,

Through Eden took their solitary way.

These two lines are one of his most successful uses of unconventional and Latinate word order, imho - put the verb in the first verse and it's far weaker. And a brilliant contrast between "hand in hand" and "solitary" on top of it.

Yes. It should be read. But it is not at the top of my list of recommended classics. I'd much rather have people read Pope or Rochester.

I haven't read Pope, either. In fact, I don't think I've read - until now - anyone between Shakespeare and Austen, as far as British literature goes, not unless you count children's versions of Gulliver's Travels.
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