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red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. Camilla Send a noteboard - 14/12/2010 05:17:11 PM
Is Rowling successful in creating doubt as to whether Dumbledore is really dead? I never bought into it, but that was in part because I knew she had stated that no one would return from the dead in her books. I cannot help think that this would have been a strong red herring if I had not known that. But I think I would also be disappointed when it turned out Dumbledore was not back. As it is, I like the Aberforth enigma.


We also learn that you cannot disapparate from inside a Fidelius Charm.

I like how they rob Gringott's after so much was made of the impossibility of it in book 1. That was obviously in order to build up the danger of Death Eaters, not to lay the ground for book 7, but I like how it is taken up again. It gives me a sense of full circle. Or, that is the wrong expression, I think. A sort of development circle, where going back to the beginning makes you realise how much has changed.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book 7 - The Deathly Hallows - 24/11/2010 07:47:44 PM 3936 Views
Suggestions - tell us what we could do better for this final discussion. - 24/11/2010 07:48:22 PM 1763 Views
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*cough* - 16/12/2010 01:05:05 PM 1902 Views
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Argh, I keep mixing everything up with the movie! - 04/12/2010 03:45:24 PM 1906 Views
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all the un-evil ones. - 04/12/2010 11:54:22 PM 1811 Views
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Yes and no - 26/12/2010 09:21:11 PM 1919 Views
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Snape, Draco, Lucius, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Ms Burbage, Dumbledore, and the Dursleys. - 24/11/2010 11:46:16 PM 1998 Views
Draco, female Death Eaters, Dumbledore. - 25/11/2010 04:44:36 PM 2060 Views
Re: Draco, female Death Eaters, Dumbledore. - 25/11/2010 04:53:25 PM 1946 Views
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Dudley - 30/11/2010 01:40:09 PM 1992 Views
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Plotting, writing, early themes. - 24/11/2010 07:53:33 PM 1867 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 24/11/2010 11:47:19 PM 2004 Views
Correction - 25/11/2010 12:38:57 AM 1884 Views
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Re: *spoilers for book 7* <--- - 27/11/2010 11:42:47 AM 2081 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 24/11/2010 07:53:46 PM 816 Views
The epigraphs. - 24/11/2010 10:06:58 PM 1962 Views
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Re: I've always thought Rowling went overboard with the Nazi links. - 27/11/2010 01:20:44 AM 1823 Views
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Maybe? - 26/11/2010 11:34:32 PM 1694 Views
Chapters 4-6: The Seven Potters, The Fallen Warrior, The Ghoul in Pyjamas *NM* - 26/11/2010 07:27:53 PM 926 Views
Characters: Harry, the Order, Hedwig, Mr & Mrs Tonks, Voldemort, etc - 26/11/2010 07:29:48 PM 1847 Views
Re: the film & Hermione - 26/11/2010 08:38:05 PM 1702 Views
Oh yes. - 26/11/2010 08:46:23 PM 1848 Views
Re: the film & Hermione - 27/11/2010 01:24:40 AM 1774 Views
Re: the film & Hermione - 27/11/2010 12:01:19 PM 1722 Views
Me too - 04/12/2010 03:40:38 PM 1753 Views
The Delacours - 30/11/2010 03:01:35 PM 1751 Views
Re: The Delacours - 30/11/2010 03:23:33 PM 1690 Views
The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things. - 26/11/2010 07:30:35 PM 1723 Views
Re: The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things. - 27/11/2010 11:59:36 AM 2094 Views
Re: The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things. - 30/11/2010 03:05:38 PM 1934 Views
Yes, Dumbledore gives a very complex answer about the wand thing - 01/12/2010 08:44:57 PM 1722 Views
The Portkeys make a certain amount of sense, actually. - 06/12/2010 08:56:24 PM 2157 Views
Good point! - 06/12/2010 09:59:11 PM 1823 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* - 26/11/2010 07:30:49 PM 924 Views
Re: Any other thoughts? - 27/11/2010 01:30:12 AM 1764 Views
Re: Any other thoughts? - 27/11/2010 03:30:26 AM 1748 Views
Re: Any other thoughts? - 27/11/2010 12:04:21 PM 1811 Views
Mr Weasley's additions to the motorbike are hilarious. - 27/11/2010 06:48:50 PM 1818 Views
Chapters 7-9: The Will of Albus Dumbledore, The Wedding, A Place to Hide - 29/11/2010 06:39:52 PM 1704 Views
The characters: usual suspects, Scrimgeour, Doge, Krum, Luna, Xenophilius, etc. - 29/11/2010 06:41:41 PM 1806 Views
Mrs Weasley, Ginny, Lupin, Mr Lovegood, Luna, Hermione - 29/11/2010 06:56:31 PM 1857 Views
Re: Mrs Weasley, Ginny, Lupin, Mr Lovegood, Luna, Hermione - 30/11/2010 01:54:33 PM 1939 Views
I just realized something about Krum. - 06/12/2010 09:00:28 PM 1770 Views
Re: I just realized something about Krum. - 06/12/2010 09:55:00 PM 1732 Views
Re: I just realized something about Krum. - 06/12/2010 10:06:01 PM 1926 Views
The action. - 29/11/2010 06:42:10 PM 1690 Views
Plotting, mainly. - 29/11/2010 06:57:06 PM 1812 Views
Hermione and obliviate. - 30/11/2010 02:23:51 PM 1768 Views
Re: Hermione and obliviate. - 30/11/2010 03:24:06 PM 1821 Views
I think this was a Rowling mistake. It happens - 01/12/2010 08:32:25 PM 1842 Views
I wondered that same thing. *NM* - 02/12/2010 05:09:49 AM 928 Views
I might have my timeline mixed up - 04/12/2010 04:12:50 PM 1818 Views
Re: I might have my timeline mixed up - 09/12/2010 02:38:44 AM 1840 Views
Kreacher quoting Regulus raises an interesting point... - 06/12/2010 08:33:02 PM 1957 Views
Re: Kreacher quoting Regulus raises an interesting point... - 06/12/2010 09:52:59 PM 1910 Views
IIRC - 06/12/2010 10:06:23 PM 1990 Views
Re: IIRC - 06/12/2010 10:09:44 PM 1894 Views
Please, sir, may I have some more? *NM* - 29/11/2010 06:44:14 PM 875 Views
I want magic for my wedding *NM* - 29/11/2010 06:57:29 PM 919 Views
I'll see what I can do. *NM* - 30/11/2010 02:58:17 PM 976 Views
I love the use of Patronuses (Patroni?) as messengers. - 30/11/2010 02:59:04 PM 1831 Views
Re: I love the use of Patronuses (Patroni?) as messengers. - 30/11/2010 03:24:35 PM 1701 Views
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Hermione and Ron, Sirius, Regulus, Kreacher, Lupin, Harry, Scrimgeour - 02/12/2010 09:11:21 AM 2003 Views
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Not surprising, perhaps. - 06/12/2010 09:56:58 PM 1790 Views
Two things about Mafalda Hopkirk. - 06/12/2010 09:54:53 PM 1792 Views
Re: Two things about Mafalda Hopkirk. - 06/12/2010 10:05:57 PM 1827 Views
Re: Two things about Mafalda Hopkirk. - 06/12/2010 10:10:27 PM 1754 Views
And? And? And? *NM* - 01/12/2010 11:43:46 PM 923 Views
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Plotting, writing, theming. - 04/12/2010 11:08:47 AM 1960 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 04/12/2010 11:10:52 AM 949 Views
It may be a stretch, but with all the Nazi references, any WW2 reference is gonna catch my eye. - 06/12/2010 10:09:04 PM 1817 Views
Good catch - 06/12/2010 10:19:21 PM 1696 Views
Chapters 16-18: Godric's Hollow, Bathilda's Secret, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore - 06/12/2010 09:57:00 PM 1824 Views
Characters: Harry, Hermione, Bathilda, Dumbledore and others - 06/12/2010 09:57:52 PM 1898 Views
Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:02:13 PM 1930 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:14:26 PM 2014 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:18:15 PM 2109 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:34:15 PM 1794 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:36:18 PM 1817 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:39:58 PM 2063 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:42:27 PM 1694 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:46:58 PM 1739 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter. - 06/12/2010 10:48:59 PM 1696 Views
I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right. - 07/12/2010 08:47:11 PM 1725 Views
Re: I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right. - 07/12/2010 08:55:54 PM 1747 Views
True, but still. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:02:00 PM 892 Views
Lights! Camera! Action! - 06/12/2010 09:59:52 PM 1794 Views
Hallows and Fidelius Charm. - 06/12/2010 10:03:33 PM 1948 Views
That could be it... or some snake senses, vibrations and all? - 07/12/2010 10:03:16 PM 1749 Views
But wait! There's more! - 06/12/2010 10:00:34 PM 1762 Views
As nutty as squirrel poo. - 06/12/2010 10:04:11 PM 1450 Views
Re: As nutty as squirrel poo. - 06/12/2010 10:32:04 PM 1796 Views
Oh, hadn't realized that yet either... nice one. *NM* - 07/12/2010 08:54:18 PM 925 Views
Chapters 19-21: The Silver Doe, Xenophilius Lovegood, The Tale of the Three Brothers - 08/12/2010 08:47:04 PM 1841 Views
Characters: Harry, Hermione, Ron, Lovegood ... and not many more. *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:49:28 PM 976 Views
Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 12:01:57 AM 1931 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 03:04:11 PM 1965 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 08:03:05 PM 1846 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 11:48:08 PM 2041 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 08:44:01 PM 1871 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 09:00:44 PM 1828 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 09:16:48 PM 1797 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 09:19:38 PM 1821 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 19/12/2010 06:58:04 PM 1752 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 20/12/2010 09:36:17 AM 1780 Views
What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet? - 09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM 1836 Views
Very, very true. *NM* - 09/12/2010 11:54:06 PM 905 Views
Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 08/12/2010 08:50:53 PM 1912 Views
Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 12:04:37 AM 1814 Views
Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM 1796 Views
I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM 1768 Views
Re: I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 11:49:38 PM 1752 Views
Re: I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 10/12/2010 04:18:25 AM 1949 Views
up up down down left right left right b a select start. look at me I have 99 horcruxes! - 10/12/2010 04:19:56 AM 1513 Views
It is, but the general idea was clear. *NM* - 10/12/2010 08:45:55 PM 889 Views
They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM 1721 Views
Re: They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 11:52:02 PM 1897 Views
Anything else you'd like to say? *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:51:31 PM 909 Views
Chapters 22-24: The Deathly Hallows, Malfoy Manor, The Wandmaker. - 10/12/2010 09:11:32 PM 1705 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Malfoys, Dobby, a number of others. *NM* - 10/12/2010 09:12:30 PM 946 Views
Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore - 10/12/2010 11:23:09 PM 2011 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore - 13/12/2010 08:47:27 PM 1834 Views
On a side note about wands - 14/12/2010 06:05:13 PM 1860 Views
Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too. - 14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM 1875 Views
Harry: - 19/12/2010 11:14:51 PM 1749 Views
Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 09:42:31 AM 1817 Views
Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 12:54:14 PM 1863 Views
Other comments or discoveries? *NM* - 10/12/2010 09:14:38 PM 915 Views
Chapters 25-27: Shell Cottage, Gringotts, The Final Hiding Place - 13/12/2010 10:03:15 PM 1737 Views
Plot, action, etc. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM 902 Views
red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 14/12/2010 05:17:11 PM 1664 Views
The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:13:50 PM 1892 Views
Re: The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:27:35 PM 1939 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 03:37:36 PM 2107 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 07:37:07 PM 1816 Views
Other things. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM 807 Views
Film stuff - 14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM 1761 Views
Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM 1746 Views
Re: Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:09:53 PM 1765 Views
Are we talking about film or book here? - 20/12/2010 12:58:46 AM 1661 Views
Both, ideally. - 20/12/2010 09:43:06 AM 1694 Views
Sometimes Rowling's parallels are far too simplistic and unsophisticated. - 20/12/2010 03:39:50 PM 1755 Views
I had not made the goblin/Jews connection *NM* - 22/12/2010 09:31:59 AM 920 Views
Seconded. - 26/12/2010 08:29:44 PM 1855 Views
Chapters 28-30: The Missing Mirror, The Lost Diadem, The Sacking of Severus Snape *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:07:20 PM 941 Views
Characters *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:07:31 PM 874 Views
Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins - 16/12/2010 11:52:46 PM 2027 Views
Various characters. - 20/12/2010 01:10:42 AM 1796 Views
I think Percy's coming to his senses makes sense enough... - 26/12/2010 08:47:10 PM 2138 Views
Re: Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins - 20/12/2010 05:16:13 PM 1870 Views
I seem to recall Dumbledore making a comment... - 26/12/2010 08:34:03 PM 1980 Views
Yes - 26/12/2010 09:18:56 PM 1790 Views
Writing, action, plot, theme, yadda yadda yadda. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:04 PM 895 Views
red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good - 16/12/2010 11:53:56 PM 1849 Views
Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good - 20/12/2010 05:38:46 PM 1818 Views
Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good - 20/12/2010 11:06:01 PM 2028 Views
Other things. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM 918 Views
Filch and a password. - 16/12/2010 11:51:24 PM 1794 Views
Re: Filch and a password. - 20/12/2010 05:41:02 PM 1763 Views
Chapters 31-33: The Battle for Hogwarts, The Elder Wand, The Prince's Tale - 19/12/2010 07:56:39 PM 1821 Views
Characters: far too many to mention. - 19/12/2010 07:58:41 PM 1697 Views
Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM 2050 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 07:02:05 PM 1913 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 11:24:46 PM 1816 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 26/12/2010 09:46:25 PM 2191 Views
The action, and plot advancement and completion. - 19/12/2010 08:00:09 PM 1846 Views
memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 09:32:27 AM 1614 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 07:17:18 PM 1917 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 11:17:57 PM 1792 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 01/01/2011 10:39:27 PM 1793 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 02/01/2011 10:29:38 AM 1927 Views
Other matters. *NM* - 19/12/2010 08:00:39 PM 825 Views
More film stuff. - 20/12/2010 09:33:23 AM 1675 Views
Chapters 34-36: The Forest Again, King's Cross, The Flaw in the Plan - 20/12/2010 07:31:27 PM 1698 Views
Characters: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Ron, Hermione, et al. - 20/12/2010 07:32:15 PM 1733 Views
Harry, Dumbledore, Neville, the Malfoys, Molly and Voldemort - 20/12/2010 11:28:19 PM 1862 Views
The Malfoys and Molly - 01/01/2011 10:55:28 PM 1949 Views
Re: The Malfoys and Molly - 02/01/2011 10:35:47 AM 1951 Views
Tying up the plot. - 20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM 1714 Views
Narnia, blood, revenge of the downtrodden, sacrifice, plans and souls - 20/12/2010 11:29:44 PM 1838 Views
Anything else? - 20/12/2010 07:33:53 PM 1774 Views
Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM 1840 Views
Re: Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 11:31:28 PM 2120 Views
I'm the other way around - I mind it less this time. - 26/12/2010 09:52:21 PM 1859 Views

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