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Re: Kreacher quoting Regulus raises an interesting point... Camilla Send a noteboard - 06/12/2010 09:52:59 PM
"For years he talked of the Dark Lord, who was going to bring the wizards out of hiding to rule the Muggles and the Muggle-borns."

It's the "hiding" part that interests me. I remember that the creation of the international wizarding agreement of secrecy (whatever the official name is) in the sixteenth or seventeenth century is a big deal, and that makes sense when you think about it. But while the wizarding community does indeed try to keep Muggles from learning about them, it's rare that they sound scared or oppressed about it - they generally give the impression that they could easily dominate the Muggles if they wanted to, but they don't. An impression confirmed in the second part of that line. The "hiding" part is, as far as I know, the first place where the Death Eater ideology is presented as primarily defensive, an attempt to end a perceived injustice against the wizarding community. We get a second not much later with the ridiculous theory of Muggle-born wizards having "stolen" the magic of pureborns. It's not difficult to read this as yet another reference to Nazi Germany and their way of rapidly going from "the Jews did us an injustice" to "let's hunt them down".


Yes, I like how Rowling depicts propaganda in this book.

Whether that plan is even remotely realistic is a different question. Intentionally or not, Rowling's numbers add up to a British wizarding community numbering in the low tens of thousands, if not even less - less than half a percent of the British population. Wizards certainly have significant advantages, but all the same, Voldemort can't hope to have a fighting force of more than a few hundred men at best, which seem like extremely long odds against the British armed forces. :P


Maybe. If you can wave a wand and make the weapons into ferrets, there is not much the armed forces can do.
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What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet? - 09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM 1747 Views
Very, very true. *NM* - 09/12/2010 11:54:06 PM 859 Views
Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 08/12/2010 08:50:53 PM 1824 Views
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Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM 1709 Views
I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM 1679 Views
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It is, but the general idea was clear. *NM* - 10/12/2010 08:45:55 PM 850 Views
They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM 1613 Views
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Anything else you'd like to say? *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:51:31 PM 861 Views
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On a side note about wands - 14/12/2010 06:05:13 PM 1775 Views
Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too. - 14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM 1795 Views
Harry: - 19/12/2010 11:14:51 PM 1658 Views
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Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 12:54:14 PM 1769 Views
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Plot, action, etc. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM 857 Views
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The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:13:50 PM 1812 Views
Re: The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:27:35 PM 1847 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 03:37:36 PM 2022 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 07:37:07 PM 1759 Views
Other things. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM 769 Views
Film stuff - 14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM 1669 Views
Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM 1654 Views
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Both, ideally. - 20/12/2010 09:43:06 AM 1603 Views
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Seconded. - 26/12/2010 08:29:44 PM 1782 Views
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Various characters. - 20/12/2010 01:10:42 AM 1712 Views
I think Percy's coming to his senses makes sense enough... - 26/12/2010 08:47:10 PM 2029 Views
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Yes - 26/12/2010 09:18:56 PM 1699 Views
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Other things. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM 876 Views
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Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM 1952 Views
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Tying up the plot. - 20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM 1622 Views
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Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM 1752 Views
Re: Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 11:31:28 PM 2024 Views
I'm the other way around - I mind it less this time. - 26/12/2010 09:52:21 PM 1770 Views

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