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Perhaps, but there's been a weakening of "contempt" in English over the past few generations Larry Send a noteboard - 28/11/2010 11:55:16 PM
In Polish the book it titled "Czas pogardy". 'Czas' means 'time' and 'pogarda' means 'contempt/disdain'. It is reference to how the WWII time is often described in Poland as 'time of contempt' for human life and other human beings.

Hatred is a little too strong. Hate is a strong feeling. 'Hot' emotion. Contempt is 'cold' and indifferent.

Contempt means (from dictionary.com)
the feeling with which a person regards anything considered mean, vile, or worthless;
This is precisely the meaning of 'pogarda'. Especially in this context of war that destroys lives and nations.

Also contempt is better then disdain because (also from dictionary.com):
contempt is disapproval tinged with disgust: to feel contempt for a weakling .
disdain is a feeling that a person or thing is beneath one's dignity and unworthy of one's notice, respect, or concern: a disdain for crooked dealing

Pogarda evokes feeling like you're not even worth enough to be hated. You just deserve to be destroyed because you are disgusting and don't deserve to live.

I would translate 'hatred' to Polish as 'nienawi??' (too stong) and 'disdain' as 'lekcewa?enie' (too weak). 'Contempt' as equivalent of 'pogarda' is just right :)


While I do agree that "hatred" is perhaps a bit strong (see my comments from earlier today), "contempt" has lost much of its former "punch," becoming associated more with a feeling rather than the actions that might be derived from it. "Despite/spite" sounds closer to "pogarda" than mere "contempt" to me, since those related words carry more of the sense of a desire for annihilation.

Of course, in Spanish, "odio" carries the sense of odiousness, which also fits with what happens in that scene I quoted yesterday :P
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Andrzej Sapkowski, Times of Disdain/Tiempo del odio Larry - 27/11/2010 03:24:22 AM 1265 Views
Bizarre that you would go to a Spanish translation (A translation note) Tom - 27/11/2010 04:05:28 PM 697 Views
Not really, when that's the only complete translation available in a language I read Larry - 27/11/2010 06:54:18 PM 760 Views
It's an interesting discussion about that title... "disdain" is indeed somewhat weak. Legolas - 27/11/2010 06:35:14 PM 760 Views
When I have time later tonight, I'll translate the relevant passage near the end of the book Larry - 27/11/2010 06:57:23 PM 789 Views
Re: Andrzej Sapkowski, Times of Disdain/Tiempo del odio wahooka - 27/11/2010 09:37:07 PM 831 Views
The main reason why I lean toward "hatred" is later on Larry - 27/11/2010 09:43:43 PM 799 Views
Yeah, there may be a slight difference between Czech and English meaning of the word wahooka - 28/11/2010 10:49:23 AM 766 Views
Makes sense to me Larry - 28/11/2010 07:13:08 PM 827 Views
Now for that passage near the end of the book I said I'd post Larry - 28/11/2010 02:35:38 AM 754 Views
Hm. I'd actually say it makes me more inclined to think "contempt" is right after all. Legolas - 28/11/2010 10:50:09 AM 830 Views
I didn't quote what happened immediately afterward, as that is a major spoiler Larry - 28/11/2010 07:16:39 PM 722 Views
Fair points. *NM* Legolas - 29/11/2010 12:26:28 AM 394 Views
Re: Now for that passage near the end of the book I said I'd post wahooka - 28/11/2010 11:03:18 AM 758 Views
Re: Now for that passage near the end of the book I said I'd post Ellestra - 29/11/2010 01:12:58 AM 626 Views
Larry - 29/11/2010 04:53:12 AM 766 Views
I find it funny that all the discussion in the thread is about the best translation of the title. Stephen - 28/11/2010 10:17:44 PM 705 Views
Actually, it also plays a key role in the action of this book Larry - 29/11/2010 12:47:19 AM 852 Views
Oh, I'm just surprised one word can be that important Stephen - 29/11/2010 01:03:48 PM 653 Views
Time of Contempt is closest to original meaning Ellestra - 28/11/2010 11:42:56 PM 814 Views
Perhaps, but there's been a weakening of "contempt" in English over the past few generations Larry - 28/11/2010 11:55:16 PM 885 Views
Re: Perhaps, but there's been a weakening of "contempt" in English over the past few generations Ellestra - 29/11/2010 12:47:12 AM 838 Views
True, to a large extent at least Larry - 29/11/2010 04:57:00 AM 1072 Views
You made me want to go and reread this again Ellestra - 29/11/2010 12:07:46 AM 808 Views
I'm in the midst of re-reading The Tower of the Swallow Larry - 29/11/2010 12:32:23 AM 898 Views
Re: I'm in the midst of re-reading The Tower of the Swallow Ellestra - 29/11/2010 01:05:30 AM 839 Views
Re: I'm in the midst of re-reading The Tower of the Swallow Larry - 29/11/2010 05:02:48 AM 831 Views
Re: I'm in the midst of re-reading The Tower of the Swallow Ellestra - 29/11/2010 04:39:02 PM 863 Views
Still, seeing as many as six consonants together can be intimidating for some of us Larry - 29/11/2010 11:37:22 PM 876 Views
Re: Still, seeing as many as six consonants together can be intimidating for some of us Ellestra - 30/11/2010 02:27:03 AM 837 Views
I refuse to give the Germans credit when it comes to language and grammar issues! Larry - 30/11/2010 03:04:30 AM 1004 Views
I don't see why; except maybe page long nouns Ellestra - 30/11/2010 04:22:37 PM 1050 Views
I dunno, some people dig saying "Machtübernahme" and "Größerdeutschland" Larry - 30/11/2010 05:53:43 PM 866 Views
Hey those are short Ellestra - 01/12/2010 03:44:42 AM 888 Views
I REALLY can't wait for this to come out in English dacole - 30/11/2010 04:50:56 AM 820 Views
Re: I REALLY can't wait for this to come out in English Ellestra - 30/11/2010 03:45:33 PM 830 Views
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