The fact that I have to argue it with you shows how much you've changed over the past few years. It's rather sad.
Answer the question. It's valid on its own even if it's vague your taste. Simply asking another question is condescending.
She asked a pretty direct question there. Instead you shoehorn the fact that you can read multiple languages into the conversation, all without answering.
Another condescending question to answer a question. Still no answer. It's not stupid to suggest a particular form of literature has particular importance.
Still another non-answer, and more shoehorning. She asked why these poems ought to be read, not whether she could read them. It's in tremendously bad faith to simply answer in terms of one's supposed inability, rather than speaking to the merit of the poems themselves, which is not an unreasonable question. It's in even worse faith that you willfully discounted the merits of translation, however limiting it might be. It's in absolutely terrible faith that you selected ONLY non-english poets to bring into the conversation started by a poet who is an english speaker. One less charitable than I would think you did the last simply to have one final parting shot at the end of the survey. One less charitable than I might conclude that you sound like a bitter High School teacher passive-aggressively bullying people online for showing unguarded enthusiasm about something they've staked an implicit claim on.
Do you think that poetry deserves a wider readership?
I assume you mean a wider, non-required reading readership?
I assume you mean a wider, non-required reading readership?
Answer the question. It's valid on its own even if it's vague your taste. Simply asking another question is condescending.
Do bookstores with no designated poetry section but entire shelves full of Ayn Rand and Bibles make you angry?
Don't get the part about Bibles, especially since the Bible contains some truly wonderful poetry of its own. Rand I could do without, though.
If you had a beautiful little bookstore and could stock it with whatever you wanted, wouldn't you have a section devoted to poetry?
In how many languages? Most of my favorite poems aren't in English, despite English being my native language.
Don't get the part about Bibles, especially since the Bible contains some truly wonderful poetry of its own. Rand I could do without, though.
If you had a beautiful little bookstore and could stock it with whatever you wanted, wouldn't you have a section devoted to poetry?
In how many languages? Most of my favorite poems aren't in English, despite English being my native language.
She asked a pretty direct question there. Instead you shoehorn the fact that you can read multiple languages into the conversation, all without answering.
Why is poetry important?
For the same reason other forms of literature are important
For the same reason other forms of literature are important
Another condescending question to answer a question. Still no answer. It's not stupid to suggest a particular form of literature has particular importance.
What are your favorite poems?
Quite a few from Bécquer, Rubén Darío, Rilke, Catullus, Ariosto, etc. Not bothering to list particular poems since I'm not going to spend a long time looking up all the poems I like.
Who are your favorite poets?
See above.
How did you discover them?
Combination of literature courses, foreign language courses, and independent study over the past two decades or so.
Why should I read them? I am compiling a christmas list, and need to know.
Unless you read Spanish, Latin, or German, you couldn't read them as they ought to be read.
Quite a few from Bécquer, Rubén Darío, Rilke, Catullus, Ariosto, etc. Not bothering to list particular poems since I'm not going to spend a long time looking up all the poems I like.
Who are your favorite poets?
See above.
How did you discover them?
Combination of literature courses, foreign language courses, and independent study over the past two decades or so.
Why should I read them? I am compiling a christmas list, and need to know.
Unless you read Spanish, Latin, or German, you couldn't read them as they ought to be read.
Still another non-answer, and more shoehorning. She asked why these poems ought to be read, not whether she could read them. It's in tremendously bad faith to simply answer in terms of one's supposed inability, rather than speaking to the merit of the poems themselves, which is not an unreasonable question. It's in even worse faith that you willfully discounted the merits of translation, however limiting it might be. It's in absolutely terrible faith that you selected ONLY non-english poets to bring into the conversation started by a poet who is an english speaker. One less charitable than I would think you did the last simply to have one final parting shot at the end of the survey. One less charitable than I might conclude that you sound like a bitter High School teacher passive-aggressively bullying people online for showing unguarded enthusiasm about something they've staked an implicit claim on.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie
Je suis méchant.
Je suis méchant.
Poetry:
08/11/2010 02:07:39 AM
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Re: Poetry:
08/11/2010 04:13:38 AM
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This is why people dislike you.
09/11/2010 07:03:17 PM
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Umm...I care?
09/11/2010 08:42:55 PM
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Because you should care about being intelligent, rather than appearing to be intelligent.
09/11/2010 10:32:04 PM
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Again, why would I care?
09/11/2010 10:38:21 PM
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No one can make you care about being decent, or intelligent, or a viable member of the community.
09/11/2010 10:41:34 PM
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I think it's rather pointless, to be honest.
09/11/2010 10:54:17 PM
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Then why are you even here?
09/11/2010 10:59:49 PM
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I don't know. I thought I'd see how long I could string you along.
09/11/2010 11:00:37 PM
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You're the one who doesn't care.
09/11/2010 11:02:11 PM
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I care only as much as I care. What others think is irrelevant to that.
09/11/2010 11:04:15 PM
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But you're still responding to me.
09/11/2010 11:05:37 PM
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Because I'm stringing you out until you quit.
09/11/2010 11:10:18 PM
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I'm not going to. I find this entertaining.
09/11/2010 11:12:27 PM
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I do as well. It's fun pretending to be an asshole, I'll admit.
09/11/2010 11:17:34 PM
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Come now, who's pretending?
09/11/2010 11:22:18 PM
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That is officially the last one before I start editing and making them NM. *NM*
09/11/2010 11:24:12 PM
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Me, most of the time
09/11/2010 11:40:26 PM
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Keep telling yourself that. *NM*
09/11/2010 11:46:34 PM
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Why would I? It's not something I think much about these days. Again, what others think is trivial. *NM*
10/11/2010 12:01:03 AM
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Are you 5?
09/11/2010 11:14:26 PM
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Nah
09/11/2010 11:15:48 PM
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But you were asked about it originally. That was my point.
09/11/2010 11:23:25 PM
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And I was evasive about it at the time. When pressed, I answered more fully.
09/11/2010 11:48:27 PM
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Why be evasive?
10/11/2010 12:16:19 AM
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Because I didn't want to spend an hour pulling out a few dozen books.
10/11/2010 12:19:55 AM
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Ye gods. Could you people at the very, very least make your messages NM?
09/11/2010 11:17:25 PM
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I must say, I'm glad you all decided to play up when I was having an evening off. *NM*
10/11/2010 12:08:59 PM
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I disagree with your claim that there can be no value in translations.
09/11/2010 08:51:20 PM
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Not "no value", but "different value" is what I would argue
09/11/2010 09:55:54 PM
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I don't disagree, but you can't possibly learn all languages, yet you can read translations of all.
09/11/2010 10:56:58 PM
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My choice, hands down, is to ignore the poetry in languages I don't read.
10/11/2010 01:44:32 AM
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An English translation of The Divine Comedy was pivotal to my conversion to Christianity.
10/11/2010 11:04:57 AM
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Ooh, good survey. I've been thinking for a while we needed more poetry discussion.
08/11/2010 10:58:24 AM
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I think you underestimate the number of translations of the Bible.
09/11/2010 01:20:30 AM
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Did they just translate logos as... life-light?
09/11/2010 07:14:28 PM
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Yes. Yes, they did. *NM*
09/11/2010 09:56:09 PM
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I think poetry is largely overrated.
08/11/2010 06:12:59 PM
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the problem is most good poets are dead and dead people tend to fail at marketing
08/11/2010 06:44:18 PM
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I like some poetry, but by no means all.
09/11/2010 12:28:41 AM
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Now that you mention it, The Imperfect Enjoyment might rank among my favourite poems. *NM*
09/11/2010 12:46:56 AM
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It is excellent
09/11/2010 08:16:01 PM
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10/11/2010 04:57:31 PM
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Re: Nice
11/11/2010 01:39:48 AM
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Man. . . That voice? Yeah. He should be reading me stories every night.
11/11/2010 11:57:02 AM
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Re: Man. . . That voice? Yeah. He should be reading me stories every night.
12/11/2010 04:36:22 AM
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