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*spoilers for book 7* Camilla Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM
First some plot questions:

The darkness Trelawny talks about, is that the Peruvian darkness powder?

And is Draco actually being compelled to talk? Or is it just psychology?


Another plot point: we see Dumbledore's want being defeated by Draco, which becomes quite important in the final book.


It is revealed that Snape overheard the prophecy. I have some issues with how that is done. Haven't we been told before that he was thrown out before the whole prophecy had been delivered? How can Trelawny then remember him? She does not remember anything while giving prophecies.


I like how Dumbledore drops hints about why he trusts Snape: his great remorse, the greatest regret of his life, the reason he turned. All true. It isn't his secret to tell, of course, but he provides enough of a background for it to make sense when we do learn the truth.


And then there is the shock of Harry being right again: Dumbledore does leave the school with inadequate defences. And he shows excellent foresight in giving the Felix Felicis to Ron, Hermione and Ginny.

There is also a strange reversal of roles after the cave and before Dumbledore's death. Harry takes on the role of carer. Dumbledore says something about not being worried because he is with Harry. Perhaps it is an indication that he has fulfilled his role. The mentor stepping aside when he is no longer needed is such an important part of the type of bildungs-narrative (which Harry Potter does fall under).


The scene that has been coming for such a very long time, and the end of an era. Was it well done?



I do love the scene at the top of the tower. Not just how Dumbledore treats Draco, but the final moment with Snape. It is beautiful misdirection (which I appreciate even more because I was never fooled, what with my blind faith in Dumbledore and Snape). I read the scene the first time as I do now, and it had great impact on me.

My one problem with it is the falling off the tower. I understand it is meant to build suspense (a little like she did with Sirius), but it does not work for me.
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1654 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1690 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1636 Views
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It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1640 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1487 Views
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But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1601 Views
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Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1621 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1609 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1574 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1572 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1848 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1725 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 764 Views
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Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1602 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 694 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1620 Views
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Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1640 Views
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Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1561 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1746 Views
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It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1670 Views
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Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1753 Views
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And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1595 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1518 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1674 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 761 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1590 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1674 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 657 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 983 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1484 Views
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Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 1811 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 764 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1803 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 782 Views
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Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 905 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1649 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1671 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1689 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 797 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1613 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1666 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1676 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1512 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1674 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1650 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 780 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1503 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1343 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1555 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 805 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1592 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1822 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1580 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 906 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 872 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1523 Views
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1674 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1664 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1635 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1782 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 1922 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 751 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1649 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1845 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1545 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1670 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1649 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 1888 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2120 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1658 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 1759 Views

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