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Re: oh, and Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM
I was fascinated by Bazarov. In the beginning I took a very strong dislike to him. I really, really cannot stand the type. He is brash, he takes pleasure in dismissing things out of hand, without really backing that up with any sort of understanding. His only claim to authority is his lack of authority, and that really is ... bogus. I couldn't agree more with Pavel Petrovich's comment that

The fact is that previously they were simply dunces and now they've suddenly become nihilists.

I loved that comment as well, but not because of Bazarov. I got the impression that Turgenev was allowing Pavel to be right about some in the movement, but also to make him miss the mark on Bazarov. Even though I do agree that B was awful in the beginning, Turgenev was already teaching us that he was richer than that. (I decided conclusively when Sitnikov and Kukshina showed up - Turgenev gave us perfect examples to show the range.)


While I agree that Sitnikov and Kukshina are a step beyond Bazarov in absurdity, his comments that ``I share no one's opinions'', when it was pointed out that he took the view of Proudhon, and the truly nonsensical comment about families being useless because sometimes they didn't work right ... it points to his being nonsensical in much the same way. Early on. I notice he changes, but in the beginning, he is dreadful. He has more authority in his statements than the other two, but I am not sure he has more understanding (at that point -- and I must stress that).
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Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev. Tom - 17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM 869 Views
Bazarov Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:12:03 PM 689 Views
never mind *NM* Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:16 PM 291 Views
The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:28:29 PM 585 Views
Re: The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Camilla - 17/10/2010 11:59:37 PM 682 Views
oh, and nossy - 17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM 578 Views
Re: oh, and Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM 559 Views
I like the way you said that nossy - 19/10/2010 05:31:05 AM 611 Views
Re: I like the way you said that Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:24:00 AM 563 Views
I had pretty much the same reaction as you. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:05:37 PM 649 Views
Arkady Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM 546 Views
Well, that makes sense Tom - 17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 552 Views
Re: Well, that makes sense Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM 574 Views
According to a footnote in my (Dutch) copy... Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:55:22 PM 578 Views
Ясень and ясный Tom - 18/10/2010 11:41:24 PM 578 Views
See, I liked Arkady nossy - 17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM 509 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:13:49 AM 537 Views
hm. nossy - 18/10/2010 01:06:44 AM 665 Views
Re: hm. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:46:23 AM 756 Views
Re: hm. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:38:02 AM 602 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:51:59 PM 533 Views
Re: Arkady Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:09:14 PM 585 Views
Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM 578 Views
Heh, no worries. Rebekah - 18/10/2010 11:07:00 AM 509 Views
Good book. nossy - 17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM 592 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:55:11 AM 664 Views
Re: Agreed. nossy - 19/10/2010 06:02:18 AM 596 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:26:25 AM 509 Views
I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Legolas - 18/10/2010 11:03:37 PM 560 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:31:40 PM 630 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:13:26 AM 569 Views
I think you might be overanalyzing the birch tree statement. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:45:12 PM 541 Views
I disagree nossy - 19/10/2010 05:27:07 AM 576 Views
I loved it. Great book. Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM 530 Views
Re: I loved it. Great book. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:33:42 PM 521 Views
I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM 503 Views
Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really. Legolas - 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM 557 Views
It felt very Russian to me as well Camilla - 20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM 518 Views
There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM 565 Views
Most of the histrionics are Dostoevsky manifestations. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:52:52 PM 608 Views
I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM 583 Views
The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM 582 Views
Can you recommend one? Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:55:56 PM 863 Views
"One" is where it starts to get harder. Tom - 23/10/2010 01:45:03 AM 597 Views
Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history. Legolas - 22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM 527 Views
Nikolai and Pavel - I love them. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM 665 Views
Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM 653 Views
Ah, that's a good point. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:54:56 PM 524 Views
The women Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:18:45 PM 616 Views
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