Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
Cockatiel of Doom Send a noteboard - 12/10/2010 02:48:53 AM
if Voldemort's AK against Harry had hit. Would Harry have survived it, the way he does in book seven, with a third Horcrux destroyed?
Good question. It should not kill him, should it? Isn't he protected by the blood of Petunia even when he is not actually in her presence?
You would think so. But I don't know. I mean, we're talking killing curse here. How many times can a person survive it, even with protection?
I thought that Harry survived the AK there because he was the master of all the Hallow at that point (not in physical possession of the wand, but it was still "his" ), not because of the protection and that was why it killed off the part of him that was a Horcrux but not him.
This makes sense. I think I only read Book 7 once, and that when it first came out, so I'm really looking forward to getting there again. There's a lot I'm not remembering.
Edit: and something else I just thought of. If you look at this from Voldemort's PoV, you have to say that it's an abysmal failure and a massive setback. Prophecy lost, most of his competent DEs captured, and his cover blown at last, everyone knows he's back now. And for all that he gets exactly one dead OotP member, who was stuck in his house anyway, and taking up the attention of the Aurors besides.
Indeed. But the price...
As such, while the readers and Harry obviously won't see it that way because of Sirius' death, it has to be considered a massive victory for the good side.
True.
So why is it, then, that the aftermath in book six makes it seem more like a victory for Voldemort, and an encouragement to start up more daring plots? I suppose he could have done those more daring plots during book five already, as soon as the Azkaban breakout happens, but he was waiting because for the prophecy he needed stealth which once lost he couldn't regain - because he wanted to take out Harry before doing anything else, and needed the prophecy to be sure how to do so. And then once the prophecy is lost and his cover is blown, he's forced to forget that plan and move on, which works rather well for him as the good side is totally on the defensive, at least openly, in books six and seven until the end. But at the very end we see the proof for why his plan A was indeed the better plan after all (though the prophecy wouldn't have told him all that much useful, but then he can't know that).
It don't think it is so much like a victory for Voldemort as it is a signal for him to let loose. He has nothing to lose at this point.
Agreed.
Me too. He was already outed, so it was time to go big or go home.
And still something else: can anyone make something of the two fragments of prophecy we hear? It's tempting to think they're relevant, but they're so short that it's fairly hard to tell.
Nope, but I'll be interested to hear it if someone else can.
I am not that person. Well, I am the person who will also be interested, but not the one who can make sense of it.
I am also not that person. I thought they were just there for filler, but now that the question has been raised I remember Rowling rarely writes anything that serves no purpose.
Hm. I think we shall have to recruit someone.
Taking a break from being Ella
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Five - The Order of the Phoenix
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Monday 13 September: chapters 1-3 - Dementors, owls and a daring rescue. *NM*
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New characters and characters old.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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News / Petunia / Snape / Tonks
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Having trouble with quotes?
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If you are having trouble with quotes, you can set it up so it always does the paragraphs thing.
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I know *NM*
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It wasn't you I was talking to. *NM*
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Then why did you reply to me?
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To subtly point out that if you were going to make that remark, you could also have given the tip.
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Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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Re: Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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Re: You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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A question around that.
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Re: A question around that.
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Yeah, maybe my timing is off there. No biggie, in the grand scheme of things.
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After the end of OotP, it's widely known he's back.
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I think I remember now
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I was thinking there were some smaller attacks / break ins that got similar treatment here.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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The Dursleys.
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise when you say it like that).
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Other stuff.
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two questions.
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Answers
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Surprisingly many hilarious little things for a book that's gonna be as dark as this one.
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That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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He's incredibly blind, our Harry.
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I don't find it annoying, really.
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Wednesday 15 September: chapters 4-6 *NM*
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Characters: still interesting? *NM*
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Yes
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You write your posts out in Word and then copypaste them? Why?
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No. I don't even have Word.
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Sirius and Sirius' mother.
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Plot: how's that coming along? *NM*
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tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Yes. And the one who will get the fantastic line at the end of the book. *NM*
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I have forgotten that
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Well, it may not be that fantastic, but it's pretty amusing.
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Oh I thought you were talking about the one where he tells the Minister
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Re: tragically?
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Other things: ? *NM*
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Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Friday 17 September: The Ministry of Magic, Harry's Hearing, and that thing with Mrs Weasley
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The plot thickens.
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A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Lots of things happening in here that come back up in future books
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Re: Lots of things happening in here that comes back up in future books
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Timing messed up again.
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Re: Timing messed up again.
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Well...
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Re: Well...
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It's like those old chip commercials. It's hard to just read one.
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Character development.
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Mrs. Weasley
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Agree here, but I can understand why she's cracking up a bit.
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Don't know if you noticed it, but the death of her brothers is actually mentioned here.
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That's a good catch. I remember reading it, but don't think I connected it back to the Weasleys.
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I don't know how I missed it.
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I believe we never get her maiden name in the series itself - it's from some family tree or the like
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Are you sure?
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No. I could be wrong. But I wouldn't know where to look for it, if so.
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According to the HP Wiki at Wikia, there should be a more explicit mention of it in book seven. *NM*
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Mr. Weasley
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He is lovely.
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His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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It's cheesy. *NM*
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Yeah, kind of cheesy, but I still enjoyed it. Should we table this for the DH reread? *NM*
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Other things of note.
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Monday 20 September: chapters 10-12 ~ Back to school *NM*
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Characters: Luna, Umbridge and the Sorting Hat *NM*
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Draco, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Harry, Umbridge and McGonnagall
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I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Re: I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Re: Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Oh, I think it is.
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Weasley goodness.
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Plot: things you've noticed. *NM*
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Not much in these chapters
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Oh, there's more than that.
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I remembered now: Barty Crouch Junior.
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I did not get that from the passage
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Hmm.
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Re: Hmm.
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Oh yes: Assyria is a wizarding country.
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Yes
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Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Re: Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Who knows? Don't think we've seen much discussion of religion in the wizarding world. *NM*
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On their broomsticks, obviously *NM*
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In that part of the world I understand they use flying carpets, actually. *NM*
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Wasn't there a mention of someone trying to smuggle flying carpets into England?
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Anything else? *NM*
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Thestrals & Hufflepuff
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Wednesday 22 September: chapters 13-15 ~ School gets interesting.
13/09/2010 09:27:09 PM
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Character development: how are our three main characters getting along?
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Dumbledore, Umbridge, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Harry, Percy ad McGonnagall.
22/09/2010 12:49:12 PM
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Some interesting developments, I thought.
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Re: Some interesting developments, I thought. Edited
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Dumbledore, this really bugs me
23/09/2010 03:39:28 AM
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Plot progression, and continuing themes.
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Action and reaction
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Re: Action and reaction
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Any other comments?
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Friday 24 September: chapters 16-18 ~ Dumbledore's Army
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Le plot.
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Reaction -- the forming of the DA
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Anything else?
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Monday 27 September: chapters 19-21 ~ Quidditch, Hagrid and thestrals.
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Les Characters
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Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Plot - are we happy with what's happening?
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Definitely some things of note!
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Re: Definitely some things of note!
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Any other thoughts?
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Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants
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Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants
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Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24
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Characters and characterisation *NM*
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High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Plotting and plot continuity *NM*
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Other things of note. *NM*
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Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's.
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Hermione is apparently smarter than J.K. Rowling. Or maybe just Harry. Hard to tell.
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The fact that she has Hermione use the right term points to a subtle distinction.
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Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late.
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The characters: development, actions, etc. *NM*
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Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore
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Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM*
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Beginning of the end
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Other things. *NM*
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The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency.
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The least important of your points...
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Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers.
13/09/2010 09:32:03 PM
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Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp
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The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall.
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Plotting and themes.
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family and bigotry
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Anything else?
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portaits
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Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks.
13/09/2010 09:32:40 PM
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Characters - so many to deal with.
06/10/2010 08:13:36 PM
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Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio.
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Plot! Theme and Action!
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The trap is set
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Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell.
13/09/2010 09:33:45 PM
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Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children.
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Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin
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Action. And more action.
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I'm wondering what would have happened...
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Re: I'm wondering what would have happened...
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10/10/2010 03:22:18 AM
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Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
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Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
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Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence?
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How are our characters left?
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Phineas, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Fudge, McGonagall, Harry, Ron and Moody
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Any other thoughts?
11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM
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General comments.
13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM
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Your links don't work
14/09/2010 10:37:32 AM
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Fixed. *NM*
14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM
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And fixed the links in the other ones, too - don't bother searching for new posts, there aren't any. *NM*
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Do we need to have another break?
27/09/2010 08:00:04 AM
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But now I want to keep reading them. </whine>
29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM
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Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
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