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Re: So it does. Camilla Send a noteboard - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM

We also get major development in the Rita-plot. Malfoy is talking to her, then Hermione's moment of epiphany which is very packed with clues despite leaving us hanging.

Yeah, I like how she uses her hands to mimic the things she's thinking about as she comes to the realization. And how Harry and Ron are still clueless.


Yes. It is a neat detail.

I suppose that is why this is the book where it stops being a children's series as far as I am concerned. Yes, it still has many of the elements, but it is bloody scary and it no longer has all the easy morals. The house elf issue becomes very complicated (with the slaves not wanting to be freed), unlike in book 2, and Cedric dies. Right in front of us.

Agreed. Rather appropriately, in the chapter that sees Voldemort return for real at last. From here on out it'll be teenager books more than children's books. Works out nearly for those who were ten or so around the time GoF came out, but not so much for young children nowadays who want to read the series start to finish aged ten, or less... then again, as Anthony Horowitz proves on a regular basis, children really can take some pretty horrific stuff if you do it right.


That is true.

"Kill the spare" (that's what he says, yes? it's "kill the second one" in Dutch) is perhaps even more chilling than the killing itself. Cedric Diggory is a massively talented and promising young wizard, but for Voldemort he's just some random body getting in his way. Showing someone getting killed is dark enough stuff; showing someone getting killed with the killer not even giving a damn is a fair bit darker still.


I know! It is quite startling. There is no reason for his death. It is all about evil, callous, bad evil.

It's more than that: Cedric's death is so sudden. I really, really like this about Rowling. When people die (Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore…) it happens in an instant. There is no slow motion moment in which you have time to digest it. It is done and it is over. Like blowing out a candle. I like it. It is a strange piece of … realism? in a magical world.

Yeah. And most of those deaths don't happen in a heroic, glorified way either. Dumbledore's death at least wasn't senseless in the sense that it was necessary to put Snape in a position from which to strike when the time was right, but it's far from heroic or glorious. There will be others who do go out with a bang in book seven, but for the most part, credit to Rowling for how she avoids the typical fantasy trap of having people die in exaggeratedly glorious ways.


Indeed.

Plot-wise, we are told of ``the steps I took long ago, to guard myself against mortal death''. It is interesting that he adds ``mortal'' to ``death''. Is it a reference to him dying, but not dying?

That is an odd choice of words, yes... makes sense.


It is striking. I have been reading up on spiritualism lately for my thesis, and they use the same terminology to distinguish between death and the death of the soul. They keep saying things like ``the dead are not dead''.

It is clear that we are supposed to think Snape is the most faithful servant (certainly when coupled with the Hogwarts references -- Karkaroff just does not fit the bill. I remember even after the book was out and they had read the whole, people kept arguing that Snape was the ``most faithful'' servant.

Heh. It's true we only really got certainty - logical certainty, anyway, which lots of people ignored, but still - that Snape was good at the climax of HBP. But making that argument is rather silly, because in the light of the discussions with Wormtail, in the first chapter and now here, surely it has to be Barty Junior.


Actually, the main part of these arguments were after HBP I think. I considered it obvious that Dumbledore had asked him to kill him, of course :|, but others (who shall remain unnamed) didn't agree.
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I like your explaination of why Voldemort calls Peter Wormtail Seriana Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:49:22 PM 1893 Views
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Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Mossman - 17/08/2010 12:49:42 AM 1956 Views
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:40:45 PM 967 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:51:43 AM 964 Views
Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:04:01 PM 1802 Views
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:46:09 PM 1836 Views
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Oh, and one more thing... Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:57:20 PM 1801 Views
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:31:49 PM 1957 Views
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 09:20:18 PM 1775 Views
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Definitely true StormCrow - 23/08/2010 10:02:46 PM 2026 Views
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM* Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM 966 Views
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else... Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:26:17 PM 1881 Views
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:24:50 PM 1719 Views
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book. Rebekah - 27/08/2010 11:30:38 PM 1659 Views
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Indeed Camilla - 27/08/2010 11:46:44 PM 2018 Views
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Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Legolas - 23/08/2010 01:58:39 PM 1742 Views
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM 979 Views
Good plotting in this section Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM 1892 Views
Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 1885 Views
Re: Yeah, definitely. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:04:55 PM 1784 Views
Anything else you want to comment on? *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM 939 Views
I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM* Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:09:15 AM 873 Views
Harry and Ron's fight is properly annoying. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:58:59 PM 2514 Views
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Ron and Hermione, mainly. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:47:49 AM 2069 Views
Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 1779 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 03:53:20 PM 1777 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 1881 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 1964 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 25/08/2010 12:15:12 AM 1955 Views
Fred and George. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1893 Views
Re: Fred and George. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:17:10 PM 1985 Views
Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:11:49 AM 1027 Views
Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:48:30 AM 1978 Views
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM 1029 Views
Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:49:16 AM 1953 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:27:51 PM 1845 Views
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM 1848 Views
Lasso comment? Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM 1853 Views
When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 1851 Views
Ah. Hehe. Yes. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM 1926 Views
It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:45:34 PM 2001 Views
Re: It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM 1880 Views
Holy crap. Elaine - 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM 1794 Views
Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM 1926 Views
Don't care, I choose to believe Elaine - 25/08/2010 03:21:37 PM 1780 Views
You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2019 Views
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:18:49 AM 918 Views
Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 1757 Views
I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:41:43 PM 2000 Views
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM 1864 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:44:34 AM 1958 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:51:21 AM 1783 Views
Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 1689 Views
Re: Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM 1818 Views
Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 1761 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 1821 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 967 Views
Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 1874 Views
And something else I never understood about the second task Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM 1878 Views
That's a good point, yeah... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM 1768 Views
Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 1826 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 1761 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 1757 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 1819 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 1883 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 1773 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 1785 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 1929 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 1821 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2018 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 1842 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 945 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 1886 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 1851 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 1963 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 1840 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 1828 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 1930 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 1798 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 1861 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 895 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 979 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 1835 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 1832 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 1841 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 1889 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 949 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 1843 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2070 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 1881 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 1830 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 1864 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 1817 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 951 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 1718 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 1827 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 1769 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 990 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 1739 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 1732 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 1798 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 1837 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 1923 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 952 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 1778 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 1896 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 1819 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 1914 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 1818 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 1795 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 1907 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 1909 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 940 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 1956 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 1648 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2107 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 933 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 955 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 1863 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 1791 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 2131 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 931 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 1817 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 2176 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2042 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 1792 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 1919 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 971 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 1932 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2130 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 1825 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 1842 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 1856 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 1928 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 1872 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 1963 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 1980 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 1818 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 1871 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 1852 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 953 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2089 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2066 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 1894 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 1911 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 1904 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 1806 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 1854 Views
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