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Re: Makes sense. Camilla Send a noteboard - 24/08/2010 03:53:20 PM
It is interesting that both Harry and Krum seem to want to be liked for themselves. Harry says it explicitly (well, he thinks it -- that they would not have wanted to go with him if he weren't a champion), and that must be one of the reasons why Krum pursues Hermione: the knowledge that if she likes him it won't be because she is starstruck.

It doesn't seem to bother Harry too much, though.


Well, he does wonder about it for a moment, and then (you are quite right) he drops the subject entirely, probably because he gets desperate.

Speaking of Fleur, the link between her first and last name only just occurred to me (since Delacour didn't strike me as such an unusual name that I really thought about its meaning until now). I guess Rowling really did want her to parade her beauty around, with a name like that. :P It makes for a good feminist message that way, though, which is rather needed in the sexist Magical Britain. Flower of the court she may be, but she's also a champion and capable of kicking ass. Sort of like la reine Margot that way (yeah, never mind me, I have a soft spot for that woman, largely thanks to the book and movie :P ).


Heh. I hadn't thought of that name. You are right.
And yes. Dumas, I take it?

All the same, though, their insensitivity on the whole thing really is quite extreme. Largely realistic, I dare say, but surely most boys are a *tad* less clueless about it all... I hope. They're also quite mean to Neville, and not even sporting enough to take it in stride when Ginny puts them in their place (first indications of Ginny's strong character/temper? or perhaps not the first, but among the first).


Well, she is Mrs Weasley's daughter...
But yes, I really like how Ginny shows independent thought.

Cho: she is very tactful. I cannot help wondering whether she had been waiting for Harry to ask her, but then he delayed and Cedric came along.

I think so. She does start going out with Cedric, though...


True.

Ron's Fleur encounter is hilarious.

It's interesting though, because there suddenly Rowling tells us the Veela inheritance works like a conscious power that she can turn on and off at will, while earlier it just seemed like it was a permanent general effect. Maybe it's a matter of degrees. The Ravenclaw Quidditch captain - don't remember his name in English - during the Yule Ball is rather more tongue-tied than he would be in normal circumstances even with a breathtaking woman, too. Makes one wonder if Fleur's feelings for Bill later on have to do with him being capable of resisting her charms (pun intended) better than average. It cannot really be much fun to reduce all your dates to simpering idiots that way... must get old really fast.


I hadn't thought of that (I didn't remember Bill being resistant to it), but that would make a lot of sense. She fits into the Krum & Harry tendency, then, of wanting to be loved for something other than X (here being Veela powers).

I think we've already had the ability to turn on and off Veela powers established during the Cup.

Ginny: she stops smiling when Harry mentions that he has asked Cho. Her crush is old news, of course, but the fact that it is still going strong is interesting. It is clear that she regrets having said yes to Neville now that Harry is so clearly after a partner.

Yeah, definitely. It's also clear that Ginny has become something of a confidante to Hermione here, which is new as far as I'm aware... though on second thought it may have started during the summer holidays when Hermione was staying there. I'd guess this is about the point where Ginny realizes she's better off not focusing on Harry so much and being more open to interest from other boys, for herself but also so that Harry will appreciate her more.


True.

For that matter, Hermione's thing with Krum is pretty much the same strategy, and works like a charm.


I wonder to what extent Ron's admiration for Krum played into Hermione's choice to accept the offer. How tactical is she?

Regarding Hermione and Ron: her reaction to his comment about trolls suggests she is aware of feelings for Ron, or at least that she is worried that he finds her unattractive and that that is why he has not asked her to go with him.

It does seem that way. The movies have somewhat ruined this in making Hermione quite cute from the start, but in the books, those feelings make more sense.


Yes.

There is then the moment when he is described as seeing her in a new light, which I suppose is the turning point for Ron. He has been protective of her before this, but I think that has been less of a conscious matter. His inability to believe she is going with someone else is interesting. I cannot bring myself to I think that it is down to him believing that no one else would have her. The alternative is that he cannot imagine her with someone else.

I think he really genuinely hasn't appreciated that she's a girl and quite different in how she approaches relationships and matters of the heart - he wouldn't have made the insensitive comments he made if he'd really realized. There's certainly something of possessiveness in it, too, yeah.

Once they get to the ball, he asks where Hermione is while completely ignoring instructions on where to find his date. It could be simple curiosity (who is she going with?), but the way it is written leads me to my usual conclusion. The same is repeated as he actually meets his date: he asks where Hermione is.

Harry's treatment of Parvati is iffy, but doable, what with him being a teenage boy and all. But Ron's behaviour to Padma, that's really going too far. And you have to wonder how it is that Parvati and Padma - "the two cutest girls in our year" according to Dean Thomas - didn't have dates yet and apparently weren't really expecting to get any they were too enthusiastic about, either, judging by Parvati's suggesting her sister would go with Ron. Evidently the other boys are as bad at asking out girls.

And yes, definitely, it's more than simple curiosity.

I cannot make up my mind whether Ron's walking right past Hermione is due to him being angry or because he is still looking for Hermione and hasn't recognised her. The narrowed eyes later suggests the first explanation, but I prefer the second for some reason. At any rate, the anger shows up later on, very explicitly. He glares and yells at her and the whole shebang. Very bad form. His anger is of course another example of his insecurity. He finds he has been superseded by another famous guy. This is the same old issue all over again, except this time it is not his best friend (who he has to be lenient towards), and all the issues are allowed to flow freely.

I always assumed the latter, but those narrowed eyes do make one wonder. Still, ignoring her doesn't make much sense, considering Ron's character and his later reaction.

Good point about his feelings there. It's rather mean how he keeps insisting Krum must have other motives than romantic interest in Hermione, but I guess he is still adjusting to the idea he's missed something for so long that others haven't, and has a hard time facing that.


Yes. I think he does it to discredit Krum as a rival, rather than intending any slight on Hermione. He doesn't seem to realise that the theories reflect badly on her.

And Hermione, of course, cutting to the heart of the issue: ``ask me before someone else does, and not as a last resort''. I like it.

Yeah, that pretty much seals the deal as far as proving she has feelings for him goes. Which Harry then confirms in a way that makes one wonder if he's been aware of this already...


Or that he has just put two and two together on seeing the evening unfold.

Fleur: she is the British stereotype of a French person. Did I mention that?

Yeah, with everything magnified because of the magic and ancestry. Olympe is too, though.


Indeed.

Neville: he keeps stepping on Ginny's feet. I confess at this point I prefer the film Neville. It may be out of character, but I like the idea that he can dance very much.

It would be nice, but yes, utterly unrealistic at this point. It's only later that he'll become competent in these things.


Yes.

Madamme Maxime and Hagrid: I understand why she is refusing to acknowledge her parentage. She has much more to lose than Hagrid. She is the headmistress of a whole school. He is a teacher protected by Dumbledore. But the whole issue is an example of how misplaced bigotry only serves to make the lives of the discriminated against very difficult.

Indeed. I had forgotten we only find out now that Hagrid's a half-giant, but perhaps that was on purpose so that Olympe's reaction makes a bit more sense as Ron confirms how big a deal it is. A somewhat exaggerated reaction, though... surely she must know, after all. Is it just because Rowling figures French people have tempers like that? Or should we read some deeper feelings behind it - her having feelings for him after all, but being afraid of the scandal and frustrated that she doesn't dare, particularly since he doesn't seem to see the problem? I'm tempted to interpret it that way, considering that they later do seem to have something and she does join him in traveling to the giants.


Yes. I see Madame Maxime as developing quite a lot in that respect. But it is never shown explicitly. You have to piece it together yourself. Rowling's books are quite "writerly" in that respect (if you'll forgive me for dragging Barthes into this). He might not have agreed, because the plot is rather straight-forward, and the writing is anything but difficult to follow. But her characters leave a lot of work to the reader, and there is room to produce quite well-rounded characters with complex development if you take the time to read it closely.

I cannot help wonder how it even happened. I mean, a giant and a human. The sheer…. I suppose one of the strange things about the magical world is that inter-species breeding is not a problem. Hmm.

Hagrid's question suggests that pairings of both kinds are possible... but yes, I really don't want to think about how things would work between a giant man and human woman.


Ick. No. Let's leave the subject alone. I'm sorry I introduced it.

Cedric: his clue to Harry is very cryptic. He could at least have told him to hold the egg under water.

I think it's plenty fair in return for what he got from Harry... particularly with giving him access to the prefects' bathroom. Harry's reaction to this is completely ridiculous. That he resents it, sure, but the paranoia about how perhaps Cedric is just playing him for a fool? That's really getting a bit over the top.


Hmm. Yes. Although Cedric suspected Harry was lying to him as well, when Harry first mentioned dragons. And hormones can cloud your judgement quite a bit.

Dumbledore: did I mention I love the man? His treatment of Hagrid had just the same excellence as his treatment of Dobby and Winky. And I really like how the Dursleys are used in the conversation regarding bad blood. This is a nice reversal of Aunt Marge's ramblings in the beginning of book 3. We also get the first mention of Aberforth.

Yeah, and in a not very flattering way... :P I like him here too, and good point on the mirroring Aunt Marge, I hadn't thought of that.


I am full of insights :|
And yes. Although the comment about Aberforth seems to be well founded. Later on. It is interesting that none of Aberforths issues with Dumbledore and Dumbledore's regrert shines through yet. He is flippant about it. I suppose that is because he is good at focusing on the matter at hand.
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A lot of pent-up anger there, I sense *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2010 09:24:51 AM 1744 Views
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Moody is really well done. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:15:55 PM 1959 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:25:45 PM 1940 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:51:43 AM 964 Views
Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:04:01 PM 1803 Views
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I just realised Camilla - 20/08/2010 11:51:20 PM 1766 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:52:05 AM 854 Views
Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:05:06 PM 1782 Views
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:46:09 PM 1836 Views
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Oh, and one more thing... Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:57:20 PM 1801 Views
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Unforgiveable Curses and Owls Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:09:26 AM 1886 Views
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:31:49 PM 1957 Views
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 09:20:18 PM 1775 Views
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Definitely true StormCrow - 23/08/2010 10:02:46 PM 2026 Views
Re: Definitely true Camilla - 24/08/2010 06:20:53 PM 2084 Views
Well, perhaps dues ex machina is a bit too much. StormCrow - 25/08/2010 01:06:27 AM 2044 Views
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Plotting and writing. Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:24 PM 2093 Views
plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Camilla - 21/08/2010 01:39:10 PM 1830 Views
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM* Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM 966 Views
House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Camilla - 21/08/2010 01:35:38 PM 2104 Views
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I don't know what you're talking about. Rebekah - 21/08/2010 05:05:28 PM 1911 Views
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I love the bouillabaisse thing. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:02:47 PM 2000 Views
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else... Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:26:17 PM 1881 Views
Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:12:54 PM 1749 Views
No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:24:50 PM 1719 Views
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book. Rebekah - 27/08/2010 11:30:38 PM 1659 Views
Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier... Legolas - 27/08/2010 11:36:20 PM 1820 Views
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Indeed Camilla - 27/08/2010 11:46:44 PM 2018 Views
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Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Legolas - 23/08/2010 01:58:39 PM 1742 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Camilla - 23/08/2010 02:08:53 PM 1777 Views
Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM 979 Views
Good plotting in this section Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM 1892 Views
Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 1885 Views
Re: Yeah, definitely. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:04:55 PM 1784 Views
Anything else you want to comment on? *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM 939 Views
I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM* Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:09:15 AM 873 Views
Harry and Ron's fight is properly annoying. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:58:59 PM 2514 Views
Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:36:30 AM 858 Views
Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,... Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:09:33 AM 1988 Views
Ron and Hermione, mainly. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:47:49 AM 2070 Views
Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 1779 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 03:53:20 PM 1778 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 1881 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 1964 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 25/08/2010 12:15:12 AM 1955 Views
Fred and George. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1893 Views
Re: Fred and George. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:17:10 PM 1985 Views
Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:11:49 AM 1027 Views
Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:48:30 AM 1978 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:18:04 PM 1798 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:13:57 PM 1838 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:33:14 PM 1870 Views
Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM 1029 Views
Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:49:16 AM 1953 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:27:51 PM 1845 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:15:15 PM 1903 Views
Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM 1848 Views
Lasso comment? Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM 1853 Views
When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 1851 Views
Ah. Hehe. Yes. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM 1926 Views
It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:45:34 PM 2001 Views
Re: It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM 1880 Views
Holy crap. Elaine - 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM 1794 Views
Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM 1926 Views
Don't care, I choose to believe Elaine - 25/08/2010 03:21:37 PM 1780 Views
You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2019 Views
Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:36:55 AM 1825 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:18:49 AM 918 Views
Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 1757 Views
I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:41:43 PM 2000 Views
Re: I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:45:30 PM 1785 Views
Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM 1864 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:44:34 AM 1958 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:51:21 AM 1783 Views
Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 1689 Views
Re: Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM 1818 Views
Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 1761 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 1821 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 967 Views
Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 1874 Views
And something else I never understood about the second task Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM 1878 Views
That's a good point, yeah... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM 1768 Views
Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 1826 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 1761 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 1757 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 1819 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 1883 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 1773 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 1785 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 1929 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 1821 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2018 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 1842 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 945 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 1886 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 1851 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 1963 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 1840 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 1829 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 1930 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 1798 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 1861 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 895 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 979 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 1835 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 1832 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 1841 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 1889 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 949 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 1843 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2070 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 1881 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 1830 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 1864 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 1817 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 951 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 1719 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 1827 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 1769 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 990 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 1739 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 1732 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 1798 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 1837 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 1923 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 952 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 1778 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 1896 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 1819 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 1914 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 1818 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 1795 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 1907 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 1909 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 940 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 1956 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 1648 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2107 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 933 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 955 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 1863 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 1791 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 2131 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 931 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 1817 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 2176 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2042 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 1792 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 1919 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 971 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 1932 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2130 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 1825 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 1842 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 1856 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 1928 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 1872 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 1963 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 1980 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 1818 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 1871 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 1852 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 953 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2089 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2066 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 1894 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 1911 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 1904 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 1806 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 1854 Views
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