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I find this Euro-speculation humorous and misguided. Tom Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 05:02:18 PM
The American mindset is such that even faced with overwhelming odds, the American is likely to say something more along the lines of "We'll win against all odds or die trying". It's a mindset that does not assume or accept defeat but recognizes that it is a possible outcome.

It has less to do with winning or losing wars (completely irrelevant) and far more to do with the way that the nation developed. Americans expanded westward on the basis of a generally optimistic outlook coupled with a willingness to struggle to make something. The people who came over here frequently had only the clothes on their backs, but were able, due to the opportunity of America, to become fabulously wealthy. Not everyone did, but that is the spirit and the basis of the nation.

As a result, Americans don't like heavy investment in social programs. Give everyone the opportunity and let people succeed or fail on their own merits. It's worked for almost 250 years.

As an aside, the South didn't "lose" in the mindset of Americans. It was "temporarily subdued", but "The South will rise again!" is a popular saying in the South to this day. No one has been defeated and the fight hasn't been forgotten. At least, that's the idea behind the saying.

I find this unwillingness to accept defeat an endearing and positive quality that will help keep America competitive even if China becomes a new superpower.

As for the Tolkien battle cry, it is a very nice Nordic sentiment along the lines of "Valhalla!" and I think a lot of Americans can appreciate the romantic, Wagnerian undertones of such a battle cry (without ever contemplating using it in a similar situation). The fact that one American does not understand it should not be imputed to the entirety of our great nation.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Worst battle cries of all time - 18/08/2010 02:33:32 PM 1239 Views
I like that - 18/08/2010 02:41:20 PM 774 Views
No doubt it's inspiring but I think he could have phrased it better *NM* - 18/08/2010 02:54:56 PM 375 Views
Are you American by any chance? - 18/08/2010 03:02:45 PM 810 Views
Lol! I don't know if that's really enlightened or really sad *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:17:16 PM 353 Views
Maybe both. *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:17:52 PM 358 Views
In fantasy it's very stirring but in real life it's...a waste *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:33:16 PM 372 Views
Depends what you are fighting for, I suppose *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 361 Views
They haven't lost enough wars for that, maybe? - 18/08/2010 04:21:29 PM 724 Views
Re: They haven't lost enough wars for that, maybe? - 18/08/2010 04:26:46 PM 801 Views
I find this Euro-speculation humorous and misguided. - 18/08/2010 05:02:18 PM 835 Views
Wagnerian undertones - nice usage! *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:19:36 PM 354 Views
Well, if you like that, are you rethinking your initial assessment of the battle cry? *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:53:36 PM 318 Views
You know I might just be *NM* - 18/08/2010 06:09:15 PM 311 Views
It was an idle thought - 18/08/2010 05:36:52 PM 725 Views
I think that eurosocialism does have something to do with it - 18/08/2010 05:52:34 PM 729 Views
Re: I think that eurosocialism does have something to do with it - 18/08/2010 05:53:49 PM 685 Views
Who's lumping several societies into one? The European Union, most likley. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:54:43 PM 321 Views
Ba-zing! *NM* - 18/08/2010 06:08:34 PM 322 Views
Quite - 18/08/2010 06:14:19 PM 661 Views
The former can come from being inundated with the latter. - 18/08/2010 07:36:52 PM 727 Views
who is talking about giving up?? - 18/08/2010 07:44:27 PM 669 Views
Re: who is talking about giving up?? - 18/08/2010 08:15:31 PM 669 Views
"Worked" being a relative term, of course. *NM* - 19/08/2010 04:20:23 AM 350 Views
Allow me to respectfully disagree - 23/08/2010 09:47:38 AM 726 Views
Re: Allow me to respectfully disagree - 23/08/2010 10:28:10 AM 690 Views
I know! - 23/08/2010 02:44:13 PM 783 Views
I like that one too. - 18/08/2010 02:54:18 PM 852 Views
While it is not in a movie or book...I think this one tops the list. - 19/08/2010 06:50:52 AM 1046 Views
Re: Worst battle cries of all time - 19/08/2010 02:24:14 PM 801 Views
Don't really see your point on the Alamo. You don't people think would be motivated by that? - 19/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 770 Views
I think he's saying... - 23/08/2010 03:02:03 AM 647 Views
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