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Witnessing and getting the truth through to Harry. StormCrow Send a noteboard - 05/08/2010 10:00:34 PM

I cannot quite make sense of why he has not already killed Scabbers/Peter by the time they get there, however. Why was he hiding behind the door? Did he want Harry to witness it?


I think he did want Harry to see it.

Harry annoys me a little in this scene, too. He completely ignores the meaning of Sirius only wanting to kill one person -- if he were a death eater, he would not be limited by that. Harry's complete inability to take in and make sense of new information gets to me. I am surprised Hermione did not pick up on it.


Yes, this is when Harry starts to get irritatingly stubborn and blinded. Fecking teenagers.

Lupin, lovelylovelylovely as always. I love seeing him with Sirius. And his painstaking explanation ... lovely. I also like the insight into Lupin's school life, and the importance of his friends. This description of the marauders and how that plays out in this scene is one of my absolute favourite parts of Rowling's whole creation.


I love the contrast between the teenage four tearaways and how they are now. Prematurely aged, dead, tortured and all the rest, after spending their younger years in a more or less idyllic way. It's the beginning of the adult changes for our three heroes.


I think the biggest thing with handling Peter in front of Harry was to PROVE the truth to Harry, i.e. that Sirius was innocent and someone else betrayed him. Remember that everyone assumes Harry knows that Sirius betrayed his parents at the beginning and that he will go after him to get revenge. Showing him seems the best way to get through to him (especially since he's coming into rage mode here).

I think that's partially why swaying Sirius and Lupin not to kill him was as easy as it was. The proof was that important and alive vs. dead meant more in proving it. Also gets back to the impact killing has on the characters and the inherently "good guy" nature of Sirius and Lupin.

Agro-Harry is much more annoying by Order of the Phoenix, but this installment definitely sends him down the path.
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