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Re: Plotting and writing. Camilla Send a noteboard - 04/08/2010 05:18:04 PM
Things get to a very carefully plotted climax, which will continue in the next three chapters. Masks are finally falling off, and riddles solved. Thoughts?


Prophecies:
Since I have been noting all the inadvertent prophecies of Trelawny's, I should probably mention Harry's prophecy of Buckbeak flying off free as well. Yet another accidentally true one.

Trelawny's own (bona fide) prophecy should probably also be mentioned: it is another excellent misdirection, of course. We are meant to assume that the "chained these twelve years" refers to Sirius in Azkaban.

And I like her reaction to Harry's confronting her with her own prophecy: "I would certainly not presume to predict anything quite as far-fetched as that".

I also like how the prophecy is driven out of Harry's (and thereby the reader's) mind by the distraction of Buckbeak. And that misdirection, as a central tendency of Rowling's narrative is also a major motif: Scabbers faking his own death. Twice.

It is also interesting that they never see Buckbeak being executed. It makes possible an ambiguity of Rowling's time travel, keeping open the possibility that they are changing the past while in reality it would seem that the past is fixed and that their travelling is simply a part of it. But that comes later.

The scene in the Shrieking Shack is so different on a re-read. Everything Sirius says and does is ambiguous, as is Lupin's behaviour. But things only make sense when you know the truth. It was a perfectly written "what on earth is going on" scene the first time, and now it is all touching and lovely.

In fact, that whole chapter is perfectly written. The buildup, the reveal... Three thumbs up.

We are given the harmonising explanation for the ambiguity of the two version of James' saving Snape, the importance of the story of Pettigrew's finger, the Whomping Willow...

While I can see the reason for it, Rowling's compulsion for writing out the explanation for all her clues is a little annoying on the 100th reread (I've lost count), however. But I can forgive that.


Also, the end of chapter 18 has a very good cliffhanger.
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Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:01:46 PM 1650 Views
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Subtlety is what I do *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:43:00 PM 771 Views
He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:00:26 PM 1577 Views
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"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point - 29/07/2010 11:57:20 AM 1551 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:50:56 PM 659 Views
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Crookshanks. - 08/08/2010 02:22:36 PM 1436 Views
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For Quidditch fans, this is probably the best book. - 03/08/2010 05:38:49 PM 1405 Views
spoilers in headlines, mister! - 03/08/2010 05:43:22 PM 1484 Views
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Hm. - 08/08/2010 02:58:46 PM 1341 Views
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OK - 08/08/2010 03:15:10 PM 1413 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 04:18:52 PM 1343 Views
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Heh. - 08/08/2010 03:05:16 PM 1485 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:19:15 PM 899 Views
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See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:04:24 PM 1793 Views
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Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers) - 05/08/2010 02:53:15 PM 1520 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:40:42 PM 652 Views
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I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:09:59 PM 1457 Views
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Ah, yes, my bad. - 05/08/2010 04:02:26 PM 1401 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:41:01 PM 718 Views
killing - 05/08/2010 02:48:33 PM 1342 Views
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Chapters 21-22. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:42 PM 735 Views
And for the last time in this book... characters? *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:03:30 PM 800 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 05:04:14 PM 1267 Views
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I normally don't care for time travel. - 07/08/2010 01:20:13 AM 1514 Views
And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:04:46 PM 816 Views
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I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 01:23:02 AM 1624 Views
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Overall thoughts. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:14:03 PM 772 Views
Character development. - 28/07/2010 01:17:20 PM 1342 Views
Harry develops by leaps and bounds - 28/07/2010 02:13:10 PM 1372 Views
Overarching plot and themes. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:18:27 PM 723 Views
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:19:06 PM 782 Views
I'd say it is one of the best in the series - 02/08/2010 10:23:49 AM 1330 Views
Absolutely. - 05/08/2010 08:15:20 PM 1499 Views
More of a question, really - 01/08/2010 10:40:23 PM 1401 Views
I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life. - 02/08/2010 03:01:49 PM 1242 Views
Well, but the question still remains - 02/08/2010 03:04:01 PM 1356 Views
Oh, got it. - 02/08/2010 03:12:47 PM 1423 Views
Ah, interesting - 02/08/2010 03:50:41 PM 1489 Views
The problem came down to actually doing the work. - 02/08/2010 03:54:21 PM 1403 Views
I never had any. - 03/08/2010 03:25:07 PM 1369 Views
I'm finding this one more difficult to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:38:01 PM 1407 Views
Apparently you are not alone in that. - 03/08/2010 05:48:13 PM 1520 Views
I suppose this is more or less the right place for this. - 04/08/2010 11:59:45 PM 1473 Views
Hehehe - 05/08/2010 12:14:38 AM 1429 Views
I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference. - 05/08/2010 12:37:09 AM 1309 Views
Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM* - 05/08/2010 12:37:56 AM 706 Views
Possibly? It's the witches in Macbeth. *NM* - 05/08/2010 08:36:20 AM 719 Views
Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 06:46:26 PM 1323 Views
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Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 08:00:01 PM 1415 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 28/07/2010 06:14:49 PM 1524 Views
I was wondering when this would come up - 28/07/2010 06:39:01 PM 1369 Views
I knew I was gonna forget something. - 28/07/2010 06:55:50 PM 1506 Views
Perhaps - 29/07/2010 09:29:53 AM 1422 Views
I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:12:23 AM 619 Views
Yet - 29/07/2010 10:13:44 AM 1455 Views
<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead> - 29/07/2010 11:00:07 AM 1509 Views
I may be missing a reference - 29/07/2010 11:03:47 AM 1380 Views
The villain is a huge Aleutian man with such a tattoo. *NM* - 29/07/2010 11:09:30 AM 750 Views
I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:46:13 PM 1450 Views
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Your patience is admirable. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:15:45 PM 706 Views
There are no words *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:16:51 PM 785 Views

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