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Fair enough. Legolas Send a noteboard - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM
The pieces I have read, though, have been atrocious, and I've talked enough with people who have read the books that I'm fairly confident I'm not missing context.

I found them entertaining enough - particularly that whole part in Breaking Dawn involving Bella being pregnant of a vampire baby while still human, mostly because of how completely outrageous and over the top it is - but then I've always been someone who can overlook questionable quality in books if they're somewhat entertaining. It's true that on a scale of book quality, Twilight ranks above most (or more likely all, but hey, can't judge them all without having read them) Harlequin novels and a few other categories of really crappy books, but above little else.
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1650 Views
Nonsense, at least in part - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1216 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1026 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1054 Views
i agree, and furthermore... - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1128 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1059 Views
Mno - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1137 Views
Have to agree. - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1120 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 943 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 979 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1054 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 875 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1085 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1071 Views
Fair enough. - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1074 Views
Also: the writing is crap. - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1017 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 454 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1032 Views
To the end - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 904 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1108 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1081 Views
and I will - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 810 Views
that's fair enough then - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 877 Views
so I hear - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 839 Views
Re: To the end - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 950 Views
Re: To the end - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 865 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1054 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 540 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 894 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 855 Views
well you have not failed completely - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 851 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 899 Views
one quick question - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 940 Views
Re: one quick question - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 973 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 884 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1001 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 966 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 880 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 974 Views
Agreed, although, - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 945 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 857 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 990 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 974 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 929 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1073 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 474 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 860 Views
Oh, agreed. - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 998 Views
Incidentall - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 963 Views
Ha! - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1083 Views
Re: Ha! - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 966 Views
Ah - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1031 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1043 Views
I can see your points there - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 943 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 989 Views
all art forms have sacred cows - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1060 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 950 Views
women deserve black lung too!! - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 845 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 916 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1209 Views
Disappointing. - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1012 Views
Re: Disappointing. - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 943 Views
Probably in the sense... - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 902 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 854 Views
agreed. *NM* - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 461 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1255 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1335 Views
No it wasn't. - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 983 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1003 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1014 Views
This. *NM* - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1096 Views

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