That is NOT moral rigidity! It was weakness and a huge moral failure!
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 05/07/2010 11:54:03 PM
The theory is that the reason Cat hates him is because of the secret. It's one thing to be unfaithful, but Ned didn't have to rub it in her face by bringing his bastard up as if he were one of their children.
As you said in this post, and in one of your replies, she also has political reasons to dislike Jon. But I believe that her reactions to him are more typical of an emotional response, not logical reasoning.
Catelyn puts family above everything. Her typical sympathies and charity when there is no conflicting family motive would have impelled her to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. The fact that she doesn't hold it against Ned but lashes out at Jon suggests a direct enmity rather than resenting her husband's generosity. Such treatment (Ned's, I mean) of bastards is hardly uncommon in the Seven Kingdoms. As you said in this post, and in one of your replies, she also has political reasons to dislike Jon. But I believe that her reactions to him are more typical of an emotional response, not logical reasoning.
In this case, Napolean meant that Ned always keeps a promise, no matter the consequences to himself or others. This is being morally rigid, and is (probably) the main reason for him keeping the secret from everyone including Cat. Some of his later problems were also caused by adhering to his moral code too much, like when he gave Cersei a chance. (What is it with Northeners and the inability to harm women even indirectly?) There are obviously characters who are much more rigid than him, but he doesn't have to be Stannis to be called morally rigid.
Ned might best be called decent and honorable. He is not rigid in the least. According to his moral code, the right thing to do with Cersei would be to honor his friend, stop his enemy and obey the laws of his kingdom. Cersei had no claim to what he was doing aside from chauvanistic sentimentality. The moral thing, the lawful thing, the ethical thing (as pertains to his office) and the good-friend thing to do is to arrest Cersei and report her crimes to Robert. There is absolutely no moral justification for what Ned did, even by the code of the North as alluded to or inferred by other examples (i.e. Robb's claim that Harrion Karstark was bound to be his enemy, no matter how justified Robb's actions or however beneficial to Harrion personally). Ned's tragic flaw is not nobility or an excess of goodness, it is sentimentality and failure to do what was right. He couldn't bear to oppose his friend when said friend was in the wrong again, so he betrayed his king, his friend, his country and his duty in the hope that Cersei would solve the problem (Robert having no compunctions about dead kids) for him. Ned isn't TOO moral, he was weak and failed to be moral enough.
Cannoli
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
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20/06/2010 04:09:27 PM
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There is a consensus on that, yeah.
20/06/2010 04:58:40 PM
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Oh well, sorry.
20/06/2010 05:07:19 PM
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I don't think that reasoning entered into it.
20/06/2010 05:43:59 PM
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That is about what I was thinking. If I promise not to tell anybody something, that includes my
20/06/2010 10:59:10 PM
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Trusting Catelyn would have been idiotic, promises aside.
21/06/2010 04:35:32 PM
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ehhhh
22/06/2010 01:29:46 AM
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And WHAT rigid morality? Why don't you give me a clear cut example of his moral "rigidity"?
22/06/2010 04:31:35 PM
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Re: Trusting Catelyn would have been idiotic, promises aside.
04/07/2010 12:59:23 PM
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That is NOT moral rigidity! It was weakness and a huge moral failure!
05/07/2010 11:54:03 PM
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