I had a very similar reaction to the themes of this book, Larry. But after reading further novels, where 8 year old bullies are made out to be irredeemably evil human beings, I cannot anymore say that Erikson is in any way say that Erikson is consistent or sensible with the themes in his stories.
They are a sham because issues like forgiveness and empathy, the balance between the need for and the senselessness of war, etc. are treated as the plot demands.
If the protagonist is a six year old child for whom Erikson wants to engender sympathy, forgiveness and empathy be damned there will be an eight year old bully, and the reader will not be allowed to feel any empathy for this antagonist. But the Pannion Seer is to be understood (though his actions never approved) because he was scarred in childhood?
In the same vein, when the world weary and cynical Malazan soldiers have to be built up as heroes, there's an expansionist empire that kills off opposition in the ready. But these same soldiers approve of their own empire, that ships off noble children to slaver, or even kills them all, so as to exert control over their newly conquered territory. And there is no sense that this is the expected hypocrisy of nationalism. How can there be when every soldier who speaks sprouts deep philosophy?
The earlier books had consistent themes within them, the latter have started losing that aspect as well. The series on the whole definitely does not have a consistent application of themes.
They are a sham because issues like forgiveness and empathy, the balance between the need for and the senselessness of war, etc. are treated as the plot demands.
If the protagonist is a six year old child for whom Erikson wants to engender sympathy, forgiveness and empathy be damned there will be an eight year old bully, and the reader will not be allowed to feel any empathy for this antagonist. But the Pannion Seer is to be understood (though his actions never approved) because he was scarred in childhood?
In the same vein, when the world weary and cynical Malazan soldiers have to be built up as heroes, there's an expansionist empire that kills off opposition in the ready. But these same soldiers approve of their own empire, that ships off noble children to slaver, or even kills them all, so as to exert control over their newly conquered territory. And there is no sense that this is the expected hypocrisy of nationalism. How can there be when every soldier who speaks sprouts deep philosophy?
The earlier books had consistent themes within them, the latter have started losing that aspect as well. The series on the whole definitely does not have a consistent application of themes.
I will note here that I'm becoming more and more convinced that MoI created a template that becomes more and more frayed as Erikson keeps returning to the well and repeating certain motifs in ways that really don't help establish cohesiveness in his latter stories (and to an extent, here in MoI).
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie
Je suis méchant.
Je suis méchant.
Steven Erikson and Ian Cameron Esslemont, Malazan Book of the Fallen (series reviews)
17/05/2010 01:09:47 PM
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Gardens of the Moon (2002-2005 re-reads; 2010 re-read)
17/05/2010 01:10:14 PM
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I have the same experience with rereads of Erikson always bringing new things to the fore.
17/05/2010 01:32:28 PM
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Re: I have the same experience with rereads of Erikson always bringing new things to the fore.
19/05/2010 02:12:42 PM
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MT was just as good as those two, IMHO of course.
21/05/2010 12:29:22 PM
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Re: MT was just as good as those two, IMHO of course.
21/05/2010 03:39:10 PM
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For me, GotM remains a half-failure
22/05/2010 06:05:30 PM
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I think even most fans of the series will agree with you there.
22/05/2010 07:32:25 PM
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Re: I think even most fans of the series will agree with you there.
23/05/2010 10:32:49 PM
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Ye gods, that reply was long.
27/05/2010 04:20:35 PM
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Re: Ye gods, that reply was long.
27/05/2010 10:57:00 PM
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Oh, it's not about a lack of action.
28/05/2010 08:56:48 AM
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I'm pretty sure that I found MbotF from Wotmania, so thanks for that.
17/05/2010 03:28:08 PM
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Never quite thought of Erikson's series as being akin to screwing in the backseat...
18/05/2010 07:14:01 PM
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It's not my cup of tea. Good luck reading it!
19/05/2010 03:42:08 PM
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I've got to ask.
20/05/2010 08:56:14 PM
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Fans of the series told me that "Gardens of the Moon" isn't a good book to start with.
21/05/2010 10:47:52 PM
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Deadhouse Gates (2002-2005 reads; 2010 re-read)
21/05/2010 06:13:47 PM
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I find myself...
06/06/2010 03:21:07 AM
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Memories of Ice (2002-2005 reads; 2010 re-read)
27/05/2010 08:47:02 AM
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As I posted in your blog RE: Themes.
27/05/2010 05:25:19 PM
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I was going to respond later today to those
27/05/2010 05:39:38 PM
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The Pannion Seer had been brainwashed by the Crippled God, he was a slave to his will. Inocent
27/05/2010 06:34:05 PM
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