Reviewing Deadhouse Gates without mentioning the mystery of the jade giants? For shame, Larry. (And yes, that is entirely sarcastic, Erikson rather lost me with that whole thing I must say.)
I plan on addressing that more in the last few novels, as I want to refer back to the earlier novels in order to keep certain subplots from being repeated in each sequel.
What I noticed more about this book (just as I recall noting about the last four books written by Erikson) compared to the first book is that there is more of a buildup to the action-oriented scenes. Whereas Gardens of the Moon placed the readers in the midst of a multi-sided war with little information provided that would orient the reader as to what was happening (this was intentional, I believe, rather than a mistake in approach, although the execution certainly was not flawless, as I noted in my prior commentary), Deadhouse Gates begins with a vivid scene in the Malazan capital city of Unta. New characters, such as Captain Paran's youngest sister, Felisin, the ex-priest Heboric, the mysterious Baudin, and the Wickan leader of the Malazan Seventh Army, Coltaine, are given strong introductions that allow the reader to find more depth to their characters than the staccato bursts of dialogue that marked much of the character interactions in the first novel. This greater focus on character I believe is the main factor that separates this novel from its predecessor and it serves to offset the structural problems I noticed with the narrative.
That scene in Unta is excellent. Laseen and Tavore are on the whole depicted rather favourably in later books (or in Laseen's case, at the end of DG already), but scenes like this one make clear that their supposed benevolence has to be taken with a grain of salt. The whole culling nobles thing is one of the more interesting aspects of the Malazan series, because on the one hand it makes the reader feel sorry for the nobles, but on the other hand, at a few points it becomes clear why the exigencies of the empire push Laseen in that direction.
Indeed. And I'll likely be saying more on this when I get to Return of the Crimson Guard in 2-3 weeks.
And definitely, the characters are more fleshed out here.
Felisin often has been criticized by several readers for being "unsympathetic." I, on the other hand, have always found her to be one of the more complex characters in this series to date and this re-read only strengthened my belief. Erikson does a good job, through the use of this character's actions and her comments to her companions, to show just how battered and embittered she had become during the course of her imprisonment on the orders of her older sister, Tavore, and her subsequent selling of her body in the slave pits in order to gain concessions for herself. Her bitterness at how Heboric and Baudin view her is in part justified, but the times where her actions cannot be defended end up feeling as though Erikson were showing this character's foibles instead of being entirely sympathetic toward her plight. By the time she comes to be Sha'ik Reborn and the leader of the Seven Cities' Rebellion, she has become perhaps the most well-rounded and morally ambiguous characters in the series to date. The scenes where she appears ended up being among my favorites this time.
I think one can both consider her bitterness justified, and find her unsympathetic and annoying, though I wouldn't go as far as to say I share that opinion. She is one of his better characters, alright, and has rather more depth than her sister, probably more than her brother too.
Agreed. Ganoes is rather flat compared to most of the other characters that appear in three or more novels.
This reminds me of another instance of what I was complaining about with regards to Toll the Hounds, but I think House of Chains is a better place to discuss that.
Likely so. I'm picking and choosing certain elements to talk about here, since I'm reviewing the series in addition to each individual book.
Most readers would cite the Chain of Dogs as being the emotional heart of the novel. While I agree that it is a well-written novel of honor and courage in the face of antipathy and greed on the part of those being protected by Coltaine's forces, I am not for certain if it is greater than the rise of Felisin from the ashes of her imprisonment. I believe both of these subplots serve to establish the tumults that are taking place in the novel.
The thing with the Chain of Dogs is that - not unlike the defence of Capustan in the next book - it defies belief, and that makes it lose some of its punch if you think back on it afterwards. Its ending is also, really, really frustrating - one of those "throw the book across the room" moments.
Except I never throw a book
I can see why you'd rate Felisin's subplot higher in terms of themes and character development.
And it's building up to her end in HoC, of course.
The other subplots, however, were at best underdeveloped (or rather, unfinished, since elements of events here appear in the next few novels with greater elaboration) and at worst a detraction from the two main subplots noted above. As intrigued as I was (and to a degree, still am) by the Icarium/Mappo mystery, I felt as though that and the entire Path of Hands were there more to set up events of another novel than building on the thematic issues contained within the Felisin and Chain of Dogs subplots. While I recognize that the Iskaral Pust scenes were meant to provide humorous relief from the traumas of Felisin's experiences and from the tragedy of the Chain of Dogs, there were moments that I felt that those scenes added little and detracted a lot from the narrative flow.
I agree to some extent about the Path of Hands, but not so much about Icarium and Mappo. That storyline works best when divided over a number of books, imho, to convey better the endless repetition in Icarium's life, and so it had to start here.
Yes, but I couldn't help but wonder if it had started in HoC, if it might have been better. I might change my mind when I re-read that book in a few days.
But despite these concerns about the unevenness of the subplots, on the whole I enjoyed my re-read of Deadhouse Gates. As I stated above, two of the subplots were very well-done, with the others feeling a bit underdeveloped or extraneous for this particular novel. If those had been pared down or excised and placed in a succeeding novel, I believe the story would have been stronger. As it stands, this is where the Malazan story, sprawling and messy as it can be at times, takes off. Looking forward to my re-read of Memories of Ice this weekend.
Nice review. A more serious question about something you left out: what did you make of the ending and the Laseen thing, which feels like an afterthought in this novel but is ultimately rather important for the series?
I'm saving that for later, which is why I purposely didn't address the Kalam situation here. I think it foreshadows events in TBH and RotCG and I want to leave a bit of mystery until then.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie
Je suis méchant.
Je suis méchant.
Steven Erikson and Ian Cameron Esslemont, Malazan Book of the Fallen (series reviews)
17/05/2010 01:09:47 PM
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Gardens of the Moon (2002-2005 re-reads; 2010 re-read)
17/05/2010 01:10:14 PM
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I have the same experience with rereads of Erikson always bringing new things to the fore.
17/05/2010 01:32:28 PM
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Re: I have the same experience with rereads of Erikson always bringing new things to the fore.
19/05/2010 02:12:42 PM
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MT was just as good as those two, IMHO of course.
21/05/2010 12:29:22 PM
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Re: MT was just as good as those two, IMHO of course.
21/05/2010 03:39:10 PM
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For me, GotM remains a half-failure
22/05/2010 06:05:30 PM
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I think even most fans of the series will agree with you there.
22/05/2010 07:32:25 PM
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Re: I think even most fans of the series will agree with you there.
23/05/2010 10:32:49 PM
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Ye gods, that reply was long.
27/05/2010 04:20:35 PM
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Re: Ye gods, that reply was long.
27/05/2010 10:57:00 PM
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Oh, it's not about a lack of action.
28/05/2010 08:56:48 AM
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I'm pretty sure that I found MbotF from Wotmania, so thanks for that.
17/05/2010 03:28:08 PM
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Never quite thought of Erikson's series as being akin to screwing in the backseat...
18/05/2010 07:14:01 PM
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It's not my cup of tea. Good luck reading it!
19/05/2010 03:42:08 PM
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I've got to ask.
20/05/2010 08:56:14 PM
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Fans of the series told me that "Gardens of the Moon" isn't a good book to start with.
21/05/2010 10:47:52 PM
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Deadhouse Gates (2002-2005 reads; 2010 re-read)
21/05/2010 06:13:47 PM
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You left out the most important part!
21/05/2010 06:45:58 PM
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Some things I leave until latter novels
21/05/2010 06:54:36 PM
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I find myself...
06/06/2010 03:21:07 AM
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Memories of Ice (2002-2005 reads; 2010 re-read)
27/05/2010 08:47:02 AM
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As I posted in your blog RE: Themes.
27/05/2010 05:25:19 PM
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I was going to respond later today to those
27/05/2010 05:39:38 PM
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The Pannion Seer had been brainwashed by the Crippled God, he was a slave to his will. Inocent
27/05/2010 06:34:05 PM
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