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Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem Camilla Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM
Instead of reviewing the story and then launching into some deeper thinking about what Lem may be telling us I want to just delve into two main themes I found myself thinking about. The first is what most think is Lem’s main message – if we one day make contact with an alien life form will we ever have any hope of actually communicating with it in any meaningful way?


Have you read His Master's Voice? I felt it had an even more powerful take on that question. Or at least very different.

Is the appearance of the visitors a form of communication? I think this question merits attention because on the surface it seems that Solaris is trying to do something but then this activity begs the question – what is it trying to do? Is it trying to communicate? Or is it too performing an experiment?


Well, it is pretty much doing what sending out lists of prime numbers would do: it is communicating the fact that it is there and sentient. But as in a lot of Lem, the problem of a lack of a common ground means that communication itself is elusive, and the copies will not help with that, I think.

I was somewhat disappointed by some descriptions I found on the Internet as to the nature of the visitors. The overwhelming view that people seemed to have was that Solaris was intentionally dredging up the worst repressed memories the researchers had. In truth Lem never really reveals to us just what Solaris is doing but I think that underscores his point about communication with alien life forms (that it wouldn’t be comprehensible). Even though the experiences seemed traumatic for the crew members it cannot be said that that was the ocean’s intentions. Snow even suggests at the end of the book that the visitors might have been “presents” of a sort.


I agree.
*MySmiley*
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 1894 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 661 Views
I read it back in January. - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1192 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 628 Views
I just finished it. - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1142 Views
Well, to be fair, - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1087 Views
Heh. - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1310 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1054 Views
That was how I felt too. - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 909 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1394 Views
I read it, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1177 Views
I plan to - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1284 Views
I might re-read it in a few days - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1099 Views
I'm currently reading it - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1354 Views
That has always bothered me too. - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 982 Views
Indeed - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1023 Views
It was a while since I've read it - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 992 Views
I have started reading it - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 946 Views
Translation: - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1240 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1221 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1144 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1108 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 599 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 603 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1092 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1178 Views
That was the one I read. - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1307 Views
I read it in Czech - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1356 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1465 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1208 Views
I have a different opinion on this. - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1111 Views
I've read it in Polish - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 940 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1069 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1066 Views
Rights issues, I beieve - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1111 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 953 Views
I read the English from French translation - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 925 Views
This was my general experience as well. - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 975 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 914 Views
Re: I do that too! - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 945 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 968 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1146 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1103 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 974 Views
Re: - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1038 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 972 Views
Fair enough. - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1031 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1051 Views
Good point Tom. - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 943 Views
It's definitely literature - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 905 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 896 Views
As long as you realize... - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 934 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 983 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1009 Views
Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 924 Views
Re: Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1023 Views
This book is definitely literature. - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1048 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 553 Views
Understandable. - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 913 Views
Hmmm - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1011 Views
What didn't you enjoy? - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 910 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 883 Views
This was what I disliked too - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1099 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 963 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1163 Views
That is an interesting take. - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1014 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 989 Views
The only thing that bothered me... - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1134 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1088 Views
Apparently not. - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1138 Views
True - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 960 Views
Point of fact, - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1009 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1336 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1142 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1288 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1132 Views
Thank you. - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1091 Views
One point... - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 981 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1058 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1031 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 929 Views
Ah. OK. - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1085 Views
Thanks - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 981 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 924 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1256 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 951 Views
A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1008 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1086 Views
Re: A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1065 Views
Thanks. - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1097 Views
Yes - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1048 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1319 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1211 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1104 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 950 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1106 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 941 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 938 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 901 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 474 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 988 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 922 Views
Yes - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1080 Views
That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1026 Views
Re: That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1025 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 963 Views
It is interesting you should say that. - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1211 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1066 Views
Derrida is great. - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1079 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 959 Views
I can't decide. - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1108 Views
An interesting point to consider... - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1108 Views
Re: I can't decide. - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 914 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1082 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1079 Views
Does it make a difference? - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 926 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1055 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1023 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1065 Views
That's an interesting observation. - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 952 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1086 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1004 Views
Communication with the entirely other - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1037 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 945 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 457 Views
In a way yes. - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1031 Views
My father, perhaps. - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 938 Views
Ha. - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 961 Views

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