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Well, when my sleeping is screwed up, interpretations are going to be wonky, it seems Larry Send a noteboard - 27/04/2010 06:21:57 PM
There are obviously some points in your new post here that I'm not going to get into as they aren't any of my business, but I think your anger in your previous post and in this one about Jake's "holding hands" comment is based on a misreading or at least misinterpretation of that post.

I would even go so far as to say it's absurd for you to feel that the "holding hands" comment was a jab at you or in any way insulting to you. Sure, the comment came in reply to Tom who was replying to you, but it seems to me that in context it was rather clear that the comment was supposed to mean "go ahead and start discussion yourself, instead of waiting for me". Not "you're incompetent and need me to hold your hand", as you seem to have interpreted it. One would think you were confident enough about the qualitative superiority of your comments compared to most other comments on this board to not read Jake's comments as if he's questioning the quality of your posts or analysis.

Edit: Also, read Tash's reply. As usual, she's wise.


That's about all I can say that I didn't say to the appropriate person below.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 1991 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 693 Views
I read it back in January. - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1267 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 655 Views
I just finished it. - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1248 Views
Well, to be fair, - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1155 Views
Heh. - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1389 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1126 Views
That was how I felt too. - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 980 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1480 Views
I read it, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1256 Views
I plan to - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1370 Views
I might re-read it in a few days - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1176 Views
I'm currently reading it - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1426 Views
That has always bothered me too. - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1069 Views
Indeed - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1105 Views
It was a while since I've read it - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1084 Views
I have started reading it - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1027 Views
Translation: - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1315 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1294 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1220 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1187 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 628 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 634 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1176 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1267 Views
That was the one I read. - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1399 Views
I read it in Czech - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1442 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1547 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1297 Views
I have a different opinion on this. - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1198 Views
I've read it in Polish - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1026 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1150 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1141 Views
Rights issues, I beieve - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1174 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1037 Views
I read the English from French translation - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1009 Views
This was my general experience as well. - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1060 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1000 Views
Re: I do that too! - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 997 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1041 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1210 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1193 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1053 Views
Re: - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1124 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1054 Views
Fair enough. - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1117 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1127 Views
Good point Tom. - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1024 Views
It's definitely literature - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 987 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 969 Views
As long as you realize... - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1003 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1068 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1083 Views
Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 965 Views
Re: Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1095 Views
This book is definitely literature. - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1129 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 584 Views
Understandable. - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 995 Views
Hmmm - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1087 Views
What didn't you enjoy? - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1003 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 960 Views
This was what I disliked too - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1173 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1035 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1241 Views
That is an interesting take. - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1089 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1077 Views
The only thing that bothered me... - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1213 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1169 Views
Apparently not. - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1204 Views
True - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1029 Views
Point of fact, - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1077 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1411 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1219 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1377 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1227 Views
Thank you. - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1169 Views
Well, when my sleeping is screwed up, interpretations are going to be wonky, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:21:57 PM 1140 Views
One point... - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1062 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1146 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1101 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 999 Views
Ah. OK. - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1171 Views
Thanks - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1058 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1001 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1349 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1029 Views
A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1052 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1160 Views
Re: A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1153 Views
Thanks. - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1162 Views
Yes - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1120 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1386 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1287 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1190 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1028 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1153 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1025 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1026 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 983 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 499 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1067 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 998 Views
Yes - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1158 Views
That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1101 Views
Re: That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1096 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1031 Views
It is interesting you should say that. - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1287 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1143 Views
Derrida is great. - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1173 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1038 Views
I can't decide. - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1189 Views
An interesting point to consider... - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1182 Views
Re: I can't decide. - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 987 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1164 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1147 Views
Does it make a difference? - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1004 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1139 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1082 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1151 Views
That's an interesting observation. - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1028 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1171 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1078 Views
Communication with the entirely other - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1107 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1016 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 488 Views
In a way yes. - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1107 Views
My father, perhaps. - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1010 Views
Ha. - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1037 Views

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