At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses
Larry Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM
It is always appreciated when you criticize my approach and intention based on the vast insight into my life and plans that you obviously have. I appreciate that you hold that only your model is the successful one when it comes to topical or book club type discussion. I understand that you hold it that only you, or any other organizer, can possibly ask poignant questions or open sub-threads about plot points or thematic developments. Thank you for disabusing me of the opinion that if someone reads something they might have an opinion or questions of their own.
Considering that your response was, shall we say, a bit "out of character" for you, in as much as you usually don't open talk about the need to stop "holding hands," perhaps my response was actually a bit understated compared to what I felt when I originally read it?
Here are some takeaway points for you, Larry. If you don't want to be accusatory, don't write a post the is simply a lecture about how poorly I am doing my 'job'. If you don't want to be insulting, you can try NBing personal suggestions directly to me. If you don't want to be condescending, you can stop holding up every MB interaction and event to the perfect model of how you would do it, regardless of how far from fact that ever was in the past.
To be honest, I am now more concerned about you making yet another round of excuses. After all, there are several things that you have pretty much promised me that you would have done...over a year ago. I just had to place an order for a replacement for one book in particular, since I had given up hope that you would ever review it or that I would ever get it back. Sure, you have had things come up. So have I, things I still won't share with any. But I also learned that sometimes it's best to just admit to myself when I cannot do something and to not make promises that I cannot keep.
As for this being "public," like I said above, sometimes when someone wants to talk about "hand-holding" in such a tone, perhaps that person can deal with a public rebuke. But since the point behind the barb appears to be lost in the anger, I'll give free rein to it now and ask, publicly, when are you going to fulfill certain promises made?
A better idea might have been to ask if or what my exact plans for the discussion, or a book club event in general might be. It is possible, though you obviously disagree, to take different approaches for how a book club event can progress.
I'm well aware of that. I'm also aware that you procrastinate more around here with each passing year and that my patience, little as it is, has become exhausted recently. As for the book club idea, I would imagine that moderators tend to do well when they actually moderate. If they can't do that, perhaps they should just step aside until they can do so?
Take my plan here for instance. Pick a sci-fi book that has some deeper elements than simple sci-fi entertainment. Advertise the book to get people to read it, and set a date for a discussion. Open the discussion with some general questions to kick start responses and participant initiated conversations. During the second week, post my review/response of the work; follow up with participant posts/conversations, respond to/or initiate deeper element conversations.
And did you really do this?
I thought that I would try this approach to see if/how it might affect participation and the general willingness to continue in conversation. It would allow people the ability to initiate conversation if they wanted. It would allow more surface level conversation, and better participation up front, and then attempt to delve deeper with greater participation. As a side bonus, it would also fit into my schedule.
Obviously, thanks to your ever so humble and knowledgeable rebuke of my abilities and my approach, I know that such things just won't work.
Nice to see what comes out in anger. And by the way, a month's delay is quite ridiculous.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie
Je suis méchant.
Je suis méchant.
Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem
19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM
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Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM*
19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM
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I just finished it.
19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM
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Yes, I read it. Must be something like... eh. it was before the clooney horror movie came out? *NM*
19/04/2010 07:23:15 PM
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I'm currently reading it
20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM
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I am with you on that. It may not be rational or my reasons have to do with vanity
20/04/2010 11:18:53 PM
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Re: When you look through Lem's page on Solaris covers, that one is the least interesting.
24/04/2010 10:01:50 AM
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Translation:
19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM
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English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970).
19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM
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Translation of a translation, actually. *NM*
19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM
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Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM*
19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM
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Read a swedish translation back then.
19/04/2010 07:28:14 PM
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Yes, the version I read was translated from polish. All the names were intact from the original *NM*
20/04/2010 12:17:42 AM
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1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox
20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM
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Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation?
24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM
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So. Uh. The chick's name was Rheya in the book I read. Not in other translations?
19/04/2010 07:42:16 PM
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Her name in the original is Harey, it got changed to Rheya somewhere along the way of the
19/04/2010 07:49:33 PM
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I haven't looked into the reasons yet, outside of what would seem obvious,
19/04/2010 09:26:11 PM
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Re: I think the translators just thought Harey wasn't immediately accessible as a feminine name.
24/04/2010 09:59:17 AM
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Literature vs. Genre Fiction
21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM
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Re:
21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM
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How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence?
22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM
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It's definitely literature
22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM
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You might be winning me over to your thoughts here.
26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM
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In all fairness to my opponents, Solaris is one of my strongest cases.
26/04/2010 10:16:20 PM
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As long as you realize...
26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM
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This is why I sort of float around on this issue.
27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM
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Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue.
13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM
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What didn't you enjoy?
21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM
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I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris.
22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM
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Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris.
23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM
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Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment.
24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM
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So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself?
22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM
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Apparently not.
22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM
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Point of fact,
23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM
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Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then
24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM
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They never claimed to have a monopoly on guiding the discussions. I am just happy they are starting
25/04/2010 05:51:01 PM
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Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry.
26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM
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At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses
26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM
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I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now.
26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM
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Well, when my sleeping is screwed up, interpretations are going to be wonky, it seems
27/04/2010 06:21:57 PM
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One point...
26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM
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Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems
27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM
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The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it.
27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM
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It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it
27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM
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I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours.
26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM
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I am mostly just trying the approach out as something a little bit different.
26/04/2010 07:23:12 PM
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Re: So what do you think about any of those things?
23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM
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I've posted my thoughts on most of those issues in various places in this discussion.
24/04/2010 05:02:44 AM
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Re: I think I'd just like for you to be more proactive and Start A Thread.
24/04/2010 09:50:26 AM
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A question about Lem.
23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM
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My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem
23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM
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I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight.
25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM
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Re: I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight.
25/04/2010 01:52:19 PM
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It had more to do with recognizing mankind's tendency to imposes their ideas on other cultures.
25/04/2010 05:35:25 PM
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On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves?
25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM
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I did spend a lot of the book speculating on what the planet was trying to do with those supressed
25/04/2010 05:05:38 PM
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The argument: (From the text and some thoughts)
27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM
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It is interesting you should say that.
12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM
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That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have
13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM
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Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient?
25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM
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What do you think the biggest message of the book is?
25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM
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Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him?
25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM
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Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there?
26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM
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Re: You know, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am everyone only seemed to have one.
10/05/2010 10:08:23 PM
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