My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem
everynametaken Send a noteboard - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM
Instead of reviewing the story and then launching into some deeper thinking about what Lem may be telling us I want to just delve into two main themes I found myself thinking about. The first is what most think is Lem’s main message – if we one day make contact with an alien life form will we ever have any hope of actually communicating with it in any meaningful way?
In the book there are two large passages that imply the futility of such an idea. The first large passage of scientific review gives us a history of Solaristic studies that are described in terms of volumes and thousands of pages. Yet, at the end of over a hundred years plus years of such studies there is no consensus as to whether the planet is alive or not. Of course by the end of the book we do know the planet is alive in some way but not exactly how or in what way. Again, now that the current Solarists know the planet is alive can they possibly know in what way its intelligence works? Can they communicate with it?
The second large passage of scientific review in the book describes the history of the study of the different oceanic and cloud-like formations Solaris makes. Again, in one hundred plus years of study all the Solarists have been able to do is categorize the formations by what they do but really have no insight into what they mean. Keeping in line with the point Lem is making in the book the character of Kelvin is beginning by this point to recognize the futility of trying to determine any “meaning” in them and indeed by the end of the book there is never any indication as to what Solaris is manifesting in such formations.
Is the appearance of the visitors a form of communication? I think this question merits attention because on the surface it seems that Solaris is trying to do something but then this activity begs the question – what is it trying to do? Is it trying to communicate? Or is it too performing an experiment?
I was somewhat disappointed by some descriptions I found on the Internet as to the nature of the visitors. The overwhelming view that people seemed to have was that Solaris was intentionally dredging up the worst repressed memories the researchers had. In truth Lem never really reveals to us just what Solaris is doing but I think that underscores his point about communication with alien life forms (that it wouldn’t be comprehensible). Even though the experiences seemed traumatic for the crew members it cannot be said that that was the ocean’s intentions. Snow even suggests at the end of the book that the visitors might have been “presents” of a sort.
Returning to the two scientific reviews in the book I want to discuss a second although lesser theme in the book. Lem is not only describing the frustrations he predicts will come with contact with alien life but he is also making fun to some extent of academia and in particular scientific experimentation and its limits. After all, the first passage describes thousands of pages and numerous volumes of theories about whether Solaris is alive or not and what is the end result of all that? They don’t know! Likewise in the second review of literature the history of Solaristics has managed to document and categorize the complex formations Solaris makes but yet in the end all that categorization really says nothing.
Let’s think about the state of research currently and ask ourselves a question. What do we really know about anything? For example, in the topic of neuroscience we map out different brain activities, neural patterns associated with different modes of thinking, different types of behavior, correlations between patterning and different chemical states, and so on. But in the end of billions of dollars and countless hours of research what do we really know? Have we really explained anything or have we just made more and more categorizations and descriptions of phenomena that we will never really understand?
In many ways our own subjective intelligence and how it works is as alien to us as Solaris is to Kelvin and company. We know it is there and that it displays “forms” if you will but we really know very little about it or what it is. And though it is highly unlikely that we will ever really know what our consciousness “is” we will continue to want to research and categorize it no matter what traumatic or disturbing things are dredged up in response to our probing. I find it telling that at the end of the book after everything that has happened with the visitors Snow is ready to continue probing Solaris with more experiments!
In the book there are two large passages that imply the futility of such an idea. The first large passage of scientific review gives us a history of Solaristic studies that are described in terms of volumes and thousands of pages. Yet, at the end of over a hundred years plus years of such studies there is no consensus as to whether the planet is alive or not. Of course by the end of the book we do know the planet is alive in some way but not exactly how or in what way. Again, now that the current Solarists know the planet is alive can they possibly know in what way its intelligence works? Can they communicate with it?
The second large passage of scientific review in the book describes the history of the study of the different oceanic and cloud-like formations Solaris makes. Again, in one hundred plus years of study all the Solarists have been able to do is categorize the formations by what they do but really have no insight into what they mean. Keeping in line with the point Lem is making in the book the character of Kelvin is beginning by this point to recognize the futility of trying to determine any “meaning” in them and indeed by the end of the book there is never any indication as to what Solaris is manifesting in such formations.
Is the appearance of the visitors a form of communication? I think this question merits attention because on the surface it seems that Solaris is trying to do something but then this activity begs the question – what is it trying to do? Is it trying to communicate? Or is it too performing an experiment?
I was somewhat disappointed by some descriptions I found on the Internet as to the nature of the visitors. The overwhelming view that people seemed to have was that Solaris was intentionally dredging up the worst repressed memories the researchers had. In truth Lem never really reveals to us just what Solaris is doing but I think that underscores his point about communication with alien life forms (that it wouldn’t be comprehensible). Even though the experiences seemed traumatic for the crew members it cannot be said that that was the ocean’s intentions. Snow even suggests at the end of the book that the visitors might have been “presents” of a sort.
Returning to the two scientific reviews in the book I want to discuss a second although lesser theme in the book. Lem is not only describing the frustrations he predicts will come with contact with alien life but he is also making fun to some extent of academia and in particular scientific experimentation and its limits. After all, the first passage describes thousands of pages and numerous volumes of theories about whether Solaris is alive or not and what is the end result of all that? They don’t know! Likewise in the second review of literature the history of Solaristics has managed to document and categorize the complex formations Solaris makes but yet in the end all that categorization really says nothing.
Let’s think about the state of research currently and ask ourselves a question. What do we really know about anything? For example, in the topic of neuroscience we map out different brain activities, neural patterns associated with different modes of thinking, different types of behavior, correlations between patterning and different chemical states, and so on. But in the end of billions of dollars and countless hours of research what do we really know? Have we really explained anything or have we just made more and more categorizations and descriptions of phenomena that we will never really understand?
In many ways our own subjective intelligence and how it works is as alien to us as Solaris is to Kelvin and company. We know it is there and that it displays “forms” if you will but we really know very little about it or what it is. And though it is highly unlikely that we will ever really know what our consciousness “is” we will continue to want to research and categorize it no matter what traumatic or disturbing things are dredged up in response to our probing. I find it telling that at the end of the book after everything that has happened with the visitors Snow is ready to continue probing Solaris with more experiments!
But wine was the great assassin of both tradition and propriety...
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem
19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM
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Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM*
19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM
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I just finished it.
19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM
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Yes, I read it. Must be something like... eh. it was before the clooney horror movie came out? *NM*
19/04/2010 07:23:15 PM
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I'm currently reading it
20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM
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I am with you on that. It may not be rational or my reasons have to do with vanity
20/04/2010 11:18:53 PM
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Re: When you look through Lem's page on Solaris covers, that one is the least interesting.
24/04/2010 10:01:50 AM
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Translation:
19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM
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English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970).
19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM
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Translation of a translation, actually. *NM*
19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM
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Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM*
19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM
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Read a swedish translation back then.
19/04/2010 07:28:14 PM
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Yes, the version I read was translated from polish. All the names were intact from the original *NM*
20/04/2010 12:17:42 AM
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1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox
20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM
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Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation?
24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM
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So. Uh. The chick's name was Rheya in the book I read. Not in other translations?
19/04/2010 07:42:16 PM
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Her name in the original is Harey, it got changed to Rheya somewhere along the way of the
19/04/2010 07:49:33 PM
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I haven't looked into the reasons yet, outside of what would seem obvious,
19/04/2010 09:26:11 PM
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Re: I think the translators just thought Harey wasn't immediately accessible as a feminine name.
24/04/2010 09:59:17 AM
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Literature vs. Genre Fiction
21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM
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Re:
21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM
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How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence?
22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM
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It's definitely literature
22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM
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You might be winning me over to your thoughts here.
26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM
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In all fairness to my opponents, Solaris is one of my strongest cases.
26/04/2010 10:16:20 PM
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As long as you realize...
26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM
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This is why I sort of float around on this issue.
27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM
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Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue.
13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM
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What didn't you enjoy?
21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM
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I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris.
22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM
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Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris.
23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM
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Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment.
24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM
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So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself?
22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM
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Apparently not.
22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM
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Point of fact,
23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM
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Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then
24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM
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They never claimed to have a monopoly on guiding the discussions. I am just happy they are starting
25/04/2010 05:51:01 PM
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Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry.
26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM
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At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses
26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM
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I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now.
26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM
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Well, when my sleeping is screwed up, interpretations are going to be wonky, it seems
27/04/2010 06:21:57 PM
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One point...
26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM
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Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems
27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM
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The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it.
27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM
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It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it
27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM
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I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours.
26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM
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I am mostly just trying the approach out as something a little bit different.
26/04/2010 07:23:12 PM
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Re: So what do you think about any of those things?
23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM
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I've posted my thoughts on most of those issues in various places in this discussion.
24/04/2010 05:02:44 AM
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Re: I think I'd just like for you to be more proactive and Start A Thread.
24/04/2010 09:50:26 AM
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A question about Lem.
23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM
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My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem
23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM
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I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight.
25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM
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Re: I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight.
25/04/2010 01:52:19 PM
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It had more to do with recognizing mankind's tendency to imposes their ideas on other cultures.
25/04/2010 05:35:25 PM
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On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves?
25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM
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I did spend a lot of the book speculating on what the planet was trying to do with those supressed
25/04/2010 05:05:38 PM
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The argument: (From the text and some thoughts)
27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM
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It is interesting you should say that.
12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM
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That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have
13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM
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Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient?
25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM
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What do you think the biggest message of the book is?
25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM
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Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him?
25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM
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Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there?
26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM
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Re: You know, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am everyone only seemed to have one.
10/05/2010 10:08:23 PM
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