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Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry Send a noteboard - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM
Children of Dune (1976) serves as a mini-resolution of sorts for the Dune Chronicles novels. In this third volume, several of the thematic and plot developments of the first two novels, Dune and Dune Messiah, come to a head, as author Frank Herbert continues his exploration of the complex ecological relationships of humans; their (anti-)heroes; their hierarchies of politics, social networks, and religions; and the ways that his imagined worlds affect and are affected by their physical, social, and moral environments. It is not an easy novel to read, however, as I found out in my first re-read (and second total read) since 2001.

If Dune Messiah served in part to illustrate the corruptive aspects of (prescient) knowledge and power (as embedded in Paul Muad'Dib's struggles to rein in the Jihad done in his name), then part of Children of Dune's attraction for readers drawn to the political/moral elements of Herbert's first two novels will be the application of this insidious corruption to Paul's younger sister, Alia. However fascinating it was to see her descent into depravity at the hands of an ancestral element within her, what I valued most about Children of Dune was how Herbert inverted some of the plot elements introduced in the first novel.

Set nine years after the concluding events of Dune Messiah, Children of Dune revolves in large part around three members of the Atreides family, the above-mentioned Alia and Paul's two young twin children, Leto II and Ghanima. and how each deals with the ancestral memories that were awakened in them before their physical births. Much of the narrative tension deals with how Alia succumbs to the malevolent guiding of one of her ancestors, while the two twins struggle to learn how to cohabitate with these ancient memories/personalities. It is this narrative tension between the choices that these three characters make that I found to be one of the more fascinating parts of this book, especially as Leto II becomes more and more cognizant of that terrible prophetic future that his father tried so desperately to avoid during the course of the first two novels.

Surrounding this narrative core are several peripheral conflicts that resonate with earlier events - the scheming of House Corrino to retake control of the Imperium, the mysterious and nefarious legend of Jacuruku and what that might portend for Arrakis's present and future, the runaway effects of the windtraps and other measures to reverse Arrakis's desertification, and the moral outrage, as embodied in the mysterious blind prophet The Preacher, against the deleterious effects that power and ready water have had on the Fremen in the quarter-century or so since Muad'Dib came into the desert. The complex interactions between these several subsidiary conflicts quickly come to a head in ways that I found both intriguing and very frustrating.

It was at times difficult to remain engaged with the text. As noted in my earlier reviews, Herbert was not as much interested in the characters for their own sake, but instead for the ideas and symbols that could be expressed through them. The passages involving Lady Jessica and the Corrino heir, Farad'n, were at times tedious to read, in large part due to the sense I got that their repartees were more to explore ideas than to explore their characters. It is a weaknesses of mine, I suppose, to lose interest when characters become more symbols of ideas than actual dynamic personages, but one of the difficulties I had with this novel was the overly didactic nature of the character interactions. While at times these type of exchanges were necessary and occasionally were even entertaining (such as the talk between Ghanima and Leto II before their decision on the Golden Path was made, or the conversation late in the novel between Leto II and The Preacher), on the whole, the dialogue in Children of Dune was the weakest of the three for me in terms of there being a natural ebb and flow. Stilted dialogue, compounded with a near surfeit of chapter epigraphs spelling out certain plot/theme elements, can lessen enjoyment after a while.

However, much of these deficiencies were counterbalanced by the evolution of the ecological element of how humans adapt to/are adapting their environs from a planetary level to a more universal one that encompasses the moral, spiritual, social, religious, and political subsets of human sociology. I am intrigued with the implications of Leto II's Golden Path and the reasons why his father had rejected it. There is a lot of foreshadowing in this book of elements that I believe Herbert addresses in much greater length in his final three volumes (and which he probably intended to address in the never-completed Dune VII), especially in regards to the apocalyptic Kralizec, or the Typhoon Struggle. Herbert devotes much more space here to concerns of how lax and complacent humans have become in the ten thousand years or so since the Butlerian Jihad and how fragile their continued survival as a species truly was despite their control of the hundred planets or so of the Imperium. Very curious to see how he develops these points in the remaining novels.

So while I did not enjoy Children of Dune as much as I did the first two novels, I did find it to be a valuable part in broadening the narrative to encompass concerns about human survival and evolution. Although Herbert's prose was again not very appealing to me, he does manage to set up quite a few intriguing conflicts that play out over the course of the book, as well as developing the seeds of future conflicts. As a "bridge" novel, it does its tasks competently, although not spectacularly. Mild recommendation at best, but mostly for those who were fans of the first two novels.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1095 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1143 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 960 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 985 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 856 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 835 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 813 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 953 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 914 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 862 Views
Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 896 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 856 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 874 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 981 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 832 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 852 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 761 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 878 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 954 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 853 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 857 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1339 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 432 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1047 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 991 Views
There are several points to the book/series - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1065 Views
Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1251 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1001 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1194 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 872 Views
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1237 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1162 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1116 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 878 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 372 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 382 Views
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I didn't see that in Alia - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 771 Views
One of my favorite series! - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 780 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 705 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 818 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 704 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 929 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 912 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 879 Views
Depends - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 792 Views
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read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 776 Views
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I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 799 Views
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