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Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM
Not much to comment on. "Dune Messiah" is my least favorite of the novels, and it acts as a stop-gap before Leto II and Ghanima accomplish what Paul did not want to do - force an evolution of humanity.

This novel is more about Paul's limitations and his lack of ease with his role. We see Alia pushing her limits constantly and increasing her muscular control and prophetic abilities to a level that Paul has not.

This novel is more like "Oedipus Rex" in that it is largely a tragedy that ends when the next generation of Atreides takes over the rulership from the prior generation.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1934 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1050 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1240 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1168 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1210 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1055 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1168 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1218 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1024 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1056 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 921 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 896 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 888 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1020 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 433 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 951 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 933 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 971 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 920 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 948 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 874 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 968 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 907 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 986 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1049 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 903 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 912 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 798 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 953 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1027 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 925 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 929 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1408 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 458 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1112 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1066 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1133 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1319 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1071 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1262 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1145 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 948 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1514 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1315 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1268 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1197 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 950 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 402 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 407 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1168 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 901 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 850 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 842 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 939 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 849 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 769 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 890 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 773 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1004 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 970 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 950 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 856 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1118 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 843 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 801 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1070 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 813 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 887 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 849 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1193 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1000 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1042 Views
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