doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia?
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM
If the only point is that Dune was one of the first books where the ecology of planet was taken into account and where I played a major then that is interesting but more a bit of trivia then a major point in understanding the story. I have not read enough pre 1965 but I would argue that some early Heinlein works such Farmer in the Sky and Red Planet touched on it fairly heavily.
I think Larry grossly overstates the importance of ecology in the book and he goes so far as to call one of the first "ecological" SF novels” and mentions it predates Earth Day by five years. If Larry simply meant the scientific implications then he probably confused the issue by mentioning the first earth day which to me at least implies a environmentalism. The planet was not the central character is was simply the back drop in which the central story took place even if it was a well defined and well though out back drop.
I think Larry grossly overstates the importance of ecology in the book and he goes so far as to call one of the first "ecological" SF novels” and mentions it predates Earth Day by five years. If Larry simply meant the scientific implications then he probably confused the issue by mentioning the first earth day which to me at least implies a environmentalism. The planet was not the central character is was simply the back drop in which the central story took place even if it was a well defined and well though out back drop.
Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within)
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Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
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Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
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That was most of my issue.
21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM
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Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM*
21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM
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A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
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Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects
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Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
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Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
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Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM
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doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia?
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Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book
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Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM*
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I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune
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There are several points to the book/series
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Everyone get something different from a book
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I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series
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I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts
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Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM*
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Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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I didn't see that in Alia
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There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers)
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OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first
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One of my favorite series!
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I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it
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