I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM
It is indeed an impressive novel, although the Dutch translation I read was horrible - dated, but even in the sixties it must've been flawed. Old-fashioned and formal language making everything extremely stiff - or rather, not everything, sometimes there'd be radical changes in tone mid-conversation or mid-paragraph. I considered switching to English or French halfway, but couldn't find a copy easily, so I just finished it anyway and kept telling myself "this isn't Pasternak's fault". Perhaps that one thing I mentioned to you back when I started it, Tom, with the changing time and place mid-paragraph, was also due to the translation (fortunately I haven't reallly come across any further instances of that).
I read a number of posts of the discussion, and the analogies of the women make sense. Still, the way Zhivago leaves Lara bothers me. While part of me can see both the external reasons (as in, why Pasternak would want him to do it, with the analogies you explain and all) and the internal reasons to some extent (Zhivago didn't want to be beholden to Komarovski in any way), I still don't think there's sufficient justification as far as the internal reasons go. It's not that I don't find it credible that he makes that decision, but I do blame him for it, and think less of him for it. He has not just one, but two families, and decides to abandon both for what are in the end selfish reasons. He does no better in that regard than Strelnikov, even if Lara for some reason seems to admire it in Strelnikov, and probably in Zhivago too, as is hinted at in the final chapters when she appears again.
Definitely a good start to the Russian Book Club, though, because even without seeing the subtle connections to other famous books that you and Greg mention, Pasternak explicitly mentions a ton of authors and important figures in Russian culture and history, as well as touching upon a lot of themes somewhere along the way. I'm sorry I got to the fun so late, but perhaps I can provoke a little more discussion, even if that discussion consists of Tom reproaching me for being a hopeless romantic or a naive reader too much influenced by the movie.
I read a number of posts of the discussion, and the analogies of the women make sense. Still, the way Zhivago leaves Lara bothers me. While part of me can see both the external reasons (as in, why Pasternak would want him to do it, with the analogies you explain and all) and the internal reasons to some extent (Zhivago didn't want to be beholden to Komarovski in any way), I still don't think there's sufficient justification as far as the internal reasons go. It's not that I don't find it credible that he makes that decision, but I do blame him for it, and think less of him for it. He has not just one, but two families, and decides to abandon both for what are in the end selfish reasons. He does no better in that regard than Strelnikov, even if Lara for some reason seems to admire it in Strelnikov, and probably in Zhivago too, as is hinted at in the final chapters when she appears again.
Definitely a good start to the Russian Book Club, though, because even without seeing the subtle connections to other famous books that you and Greg mention, Pasternak explicitly mentions a ton of authors and important figures in Russian culture and history, as well as touching upon a lot of themes somewhere along the way. I'm sorry I got to the fun so late, but perhaps I can provoke a little more discussion, even if that discussion consists of Tom reproaching me for being a hopeless romantic or a naive reader too much influenced by the movie.
So, let's talk about Doctor Zhivago.
15/03/2010 12:51:09 PM
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I liked it a lot.
15/03/2010 03:24:34 PM
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I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution.
15/03/2010 09:19:54 PM
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Re: I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution
15/03/2010 09:57:29 PM
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Yes, it's the Soviet state, not the revolution, that he hates.
15/03/2010 11:16:29 PM
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There will be more later. Much more. So lets start at the beginning.
15/03/2010 04:22:15 PM
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... I'm clearly lacking in braincells.
15/03/2010 05:03:35 PM
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... yes, you moved to scotland? *NM*
15/03/2010 05:42:21 PM
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I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point.
15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM
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Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist,
15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM
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Zhivago is the Church Slavonic genitive singular of живой (zhivoi), "living"
15/03/2010 11:18:23 PM
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I thought this was a great read, and I'm sure I've missed a lot, which will make a reread good too.
15/03/2010 05:16:19 PM
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On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think.
15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM
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I noticed that as well
15/03/2010 09:42:04 PM
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Yes. This is what I was going to say, just not as articulately. *NM*
15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM
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My initial thoughts
15/03/2010 06:02:21 PM
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Re: My initial thoughts
15/03/2010 08:54:15 PM
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There appears to be a lull, so some background - How many of you have read anything about
15/03/2010 08:19:07 PM
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I've read bits & pieces.
15/03/2010 08:33:41 PM
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Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution.
15/03/2010 08:47:42 PM
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Re: Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution.
15/03/2010 11:05:22 PM
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Thank you for calling it "light" reading. The quotation marks were comforting.
17/03/2010 09:56:26 AM
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I will read and respond to this when I remember to bring my glasses home from work! *NM*
17/03/2010 06:14:31 PM
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Fiction or non-fiction?
15/03/2010 09:21:04 PM
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Familiar with the history, though I've never exhaustively studied the time period.
16/03/2010 02:20:23 PM
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Why would you consider this a classic? What made it so good or profound for (plural) you?
16/03/2010 11:19:23 PM
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Put a question mark at the end of the first sentence and read my response. *NM*
17/03/2010 12:09:58 AM
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Some questions.
19/03/2010 08:27:38 AM
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As an addendum to what Greg wrote:
19/03/2010 05:56:56 PM
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The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them
21/03/2010 05:34:03 PM
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It looks a bit strained to me.
22/03/2010 03:28:34 AM
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So far the reviews are pretty glowing, as are the Amazon reviewers.
22/03/2010 01:44:19 PM
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In other news, I read about 100 pages of The Island at the Center of the World.
22/03/2010 03:48:47 PM
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I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took.
21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM
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