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You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry Send a noteboard - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM
My roommate is an ecology major, and studying "how organisms affect and are affected by other members, living and non-living alike, of local and global systems" seems to be exactly what he does. In fact, he just defined it to me now as "the study of interactions of organisms with one another and with their environment." Which is pretty much what Larry said, except Larry, to quote my roommate, "went one step further and defined 'environment.'"

So... I'm pretty sure what Larry said is a very correct and modern definition of the word "ecology."


Now talk to an english major and get the definition for conotative and denotative meaning.

Words and pharses have multiple meaning in english depending on context. How many different meanings can you communicate with the word "no"?

Archaic, as in not what the word conveys in common speech, in a given context. If I say "I am going to the theater." You will most likely think of movies, but what if I mean a play. If I say "I am going outside and burn a faggot", you will probably call the police to stop a murder, but what if I mean a cigarette, or perhaps to start a campfire. English is a tricky beast.

Make sense now?

The scientific and common definition/concept of a word offen are at odds. It is all about the context.


First off, it's not an antiquated use of the word. If anything, ecology is an inkhorn portmanteau that caught on in scientific and later, popular culture and it has very few variant meanings. Its meaning does not vary across regions, countries, or time. So arguing that it is "archaic" is a very strange set of reasoning.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1814 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 963 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1121 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1055 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1090 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 936 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1058 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1089 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 927 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 925 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 815 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 793 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 765 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 898 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 384 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 869 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 816 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 848 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 811 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 831 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 766 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 855 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 796 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 882 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 935 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 790 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 807 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 720 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 843 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 917 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 811 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 820 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1289 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 415 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1001 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 949 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1029 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1203 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 961 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1159 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1019 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 832 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1396 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1190 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1121 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1075 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 832 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 360 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 366 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1063 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 811 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 715 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 732 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 840 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 736 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 659 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 764 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 665 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 889 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 874 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 845 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 747 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 998 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 737 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 705 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 959 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 713 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 774 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 758 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1085 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 894 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 915 Views
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