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About that bifurcation... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM
While it is true that the books explore a lot of minutia, much of that is concerned with the decor of the setting, the clothing of the characters, etc.

I seem to remember a memorable paragraph dedicated to the unbalanced nature of Egwene's chair in her tent, and how the experiences Sitters somehow managed to keep their balance despite sitting in similar stools (or bring their own sturdier ones).

Most of the descriptions of furniture (and the clothes too) are like that. Reflecting the situation of the character, but taking too much space to do so.

I don't mind it, many others are distracted by it a lot. But, critically, I have never come across someone who likes it. No one who has said this makes the series better or more interesting.

The plot itself diverges, of course, with many secondary, even tertiary characters being given points of views. And these are what fascinate many fans (to obsessive levels), not so much because they're interesting in and of themselves, but more because of how Jordan managed to tie these disparate story elements together. Sometimes in a predictable way (where the fan is satisfied he was clever enough to see it coming), and from the left field in other cases (where many prior instances of a character's appearance can take on a newer shade of meaning).

Essentially, once you get over the pedestrian prose and the over-descriptiveness (and the obvious pacing problems, of course), this is a damned good yarn. The characters are fun, and grow enough, and are consistent enough that you don't have to periodically smack your head. The world, due to the multitude of characters from so many different walks of life, lives and breathes (allowing for easy immersion), and there is enough thematic depth that this doesn't seem like total fluff.

Had Jordan been able to control the tendency to over-describe and take care of the pacing issues in the later books, this would have been a brilliant example of "lets see how long an interesting story can I write". It still qualifies, IMO, and certainly is the reason why I think it is such a commercial success.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 12394 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2894 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 2704 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2841 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1407 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2153 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 2819 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1352 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2273 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2214 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1232 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 2578 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2092 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2135 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2065 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2076 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 2500 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1565 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2234 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2243 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2101 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2061 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2112 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1313 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1175 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2142 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2073 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1940 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2036 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1948 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1985 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1898 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1805 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1983 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1996 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2105 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2083 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2122 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2091 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1317 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2040 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2017 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2081 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2046 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1909 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2161 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2031 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2012 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1494 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1977 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2105 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1920 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2367 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1821 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2101 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1321 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2066 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1951 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1909 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1900 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2028 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1950 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1980 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1946 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2128 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1850 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1839 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1890 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2022 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1963 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1928 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1937 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1889 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1925 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2031 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2150 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1886 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1878 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1919 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1811 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1987 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1911 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2060 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1891 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1854 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2022 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1944 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1894 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2017 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1935 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1957 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2045 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1858 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2135 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 10702 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2023 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2149 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1903 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2031 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2047 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2112 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2010 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2106 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2115 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2168 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 2520 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2363 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1822 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1968 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1218 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2083 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1948 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1895 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1747 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1810 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2112 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1795 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1882 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2084 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2121 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2004 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2025 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1841 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1882 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1810 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1911 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1889 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2060 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1920 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1777 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2017 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1969 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1849 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1929 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1767 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1995 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1959 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1949 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 2500 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1963 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1983 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1945 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1983 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1770 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1944 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1791 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1836 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1924 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2003 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2062 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2002 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1741 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2067 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2062 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3179 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1751 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1834 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1782 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1958 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1909 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1819 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2755 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1945 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1913 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1944 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1937 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1943 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1987 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2887 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1923 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1289 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1866 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1904 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1867 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2312 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1828 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1744 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1966 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1942 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1903 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2017 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1952 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1766 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1986 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1885 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2194 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2014 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2045 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2077 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1150 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1846 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2055 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2181 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1923 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2076 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1937 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2241 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2069 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1160 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1948 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2029 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1969 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2023 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 9472 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1942 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2049 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2038 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2047 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2051 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2017 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2183 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1875 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1951 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1947 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1880 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2124 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2122 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1224 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1878 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1143 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1830 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1268 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1826 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2009 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2000 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1872 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2244 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2009 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1155 Views

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