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Dismissive, much? Larry Send a noteboard - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM
Truth be told, it's anyway not that important. Roberts will certainly post his little comments on the next WoT books. While you might be thrilled by his brilliant humor and unchallenged shrewdness, I will probably just consider it pretty pathetic that he forces himself to read all this apparently boring, pointless and trivial crap, just to ridicule it afterwards in an even more unoriginal way. But we will see.. ;)


I actually find his comments to be more nuanced and generous in some regards than you and some others are willing to give him credit. I don't agree with everything, but I think he's being forthright in what he's saying (and again, if you haven't read the book commentaries he's put on his personal blog for years, like I have, there are certain things that will be missed). I think a recent response of his inside the latest commentary is intriguing:

Rajashekar: "What do you think contributes to the commercial success of this series? "

Now that is an interesting question. You're quite right, there's no denying the books' enormous, and continuing, success. And I very much take the force of your (diplomatically restrained, but spot-on) imputation too: that I'm missing something significant here.

There's something or things about this series has resulted not just in many people reading them, but a good number falling in love with them too. Not me, or not so far at any rate, but I probably need to be more open to whatever this 'thing' or 'things' is/are. Part of me thinks it must have to do with the series sheer length; which by a sort of textual brute force can replicate the immersiveness a more skillful writer achieves through style, worldbuilding or character. The shift (as in Star Wars) into increasingly obviously sexualised territory can't have hurt either: I can imagine readers growing up reading the series.

Or, thinking a little more about this (and picking up on Larry's perceptive comment): by 'length' I suppose I mean more than just bulk of pages. I mean the immense accumulation of and attention to trivial details.

Put it this way: there's an interesting bifurcation in the 'market' (horrid term) for SF and Fantasy: on the one hand the texts themselves (as it might be: Lord of the Rings, Star Wars) which provide one sort of pleasure, and on the other immensely detailed and elongated fan encyclopedia-style anatomies and extensions of those texts: all the Star Wars novelisations, all the books of ships specs and timelines and whatnot. This latter body of writing appeals to a subset of broader fandom, those SFF fans who want to know every atom of the imagined world.

Now what's happening with WoT, it seems to me, is that after a conventional opening, the series is increasingly turning into a man-and-fly-in-the-matter-transporter-together mutant melding of these two modes of text. Each installment devotes a certain amount of energy to moving the story on, and much more to encyclopedically anatomizing world and character.


It's that part about the bifurcation that intrigues me and I think may explain why some love the series and why others come to loathe it.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 12336 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2832 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 2630 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2801 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1374 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2117 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 2761 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1325 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2210 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2166 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1198 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 2511 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2052 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2071 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2026 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2019 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 2455 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1532 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2200 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2207 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2036 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1997 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2037 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1278 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1148 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2097 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2035 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1899 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1975 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1884 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1939 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1857 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1765 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1908 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1917 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2043 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2012 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2088 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2052 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1298 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 1997 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 1950 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2040 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2003 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1867 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2118 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1980 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1942 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1463 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1901 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2021 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1880 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2292 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1785 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2025 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1301 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2006 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1915 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1867 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1848 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1964 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1880 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1938 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1912 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2062 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1807 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1796 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1849 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1966 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1917 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1869 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1870 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1856 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1852 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1995 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2113 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1847 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1811 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1859 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1779 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1922 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1835 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2006 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1849 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1785 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1984 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1882 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1857 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1953 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1873 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1896 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1971 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1800 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2099 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 10644 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1965 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2111 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1842 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1984 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2000 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2046 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1943 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2071 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2049 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2129 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 2455 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2291 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1752 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1888 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1167 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2048 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1870 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1858 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1714 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1775 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2073 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1753 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1850 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2039 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2054 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1930 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1988 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1767 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1845 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1767 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1841 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1847 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1992 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1856 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1736 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1952 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1892 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1807 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1861 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1727 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1957 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1921 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1915 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 2465 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1899 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1918 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1901 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1918 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1723 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1876 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1758 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1776 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1856 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1959 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1992 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1968 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1684 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1993 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1997 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3136 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1719 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1790 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1748 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1889 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1872 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1780 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2690 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1884 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1847 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1877 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1866 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1880 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1918 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2845 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1859 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1256 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1801 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1859 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1800 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2271 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1775 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1703 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1892 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1881 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1868 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1977 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1915 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1723 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1915 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1814 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2159 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1946 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1981 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2008 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1117 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1803 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1990 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2139 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1853 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2015 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1902 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2177 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2002 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1126 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1874 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1969 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1927 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1967 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 9390 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1901 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1982 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2001 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2009 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2022 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1982 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2118 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1834 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1877 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1917 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1844 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2051 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2059 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1191 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1840 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1112 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1792 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1237 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1783 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1942 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1936 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1798 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2177 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1943 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1124 Views

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